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Just Received My New Nikon ED82, Wow!!! (1 Viewer)
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To all,
For all of those who are interested in extra information concerning Nikon equipment or have specific questions, I would be glad to answer them. I am Nikon's Birding Market Specialist. So just throw me a message.
Cheers,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon Birding Market Specialist
For all of those who are interested in extra information concerning Nikon equipment or have specific questions, I would be glad to answer them. I am Nikon's Birding Market Specialist. So just throw me a message.
Cheers,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon Birding Market Specialist
mfreiberg said:
Since you cordially present the opportunity to ask, could you perhaps shed some light on when we can expect a true wide-angle, long eye-relief zoom for the Fieldscopes? A wish for such an eyepiece has been voiced by any number of otherwise happy owners of Nikon scopes, as well as a number of reviewers, myself included. The current MC II is a truly high-quality design, but the wide field offered by Zeiss especially but also Swaro and Leica zooms is very addictive. On the other hand, if you know that Nikon definitely has decided not to produce such a zoom, it would be usefull to know that as well.
Yours,
Kimmo
Future for Nikon Eyepieces!
Kimmo,
Well, I am glad that I have some support here about this issue. This has been the major issue in my book that has actually kept me from using the zoom eyepiece. I prefer my 30x wide angle anyway, but should Nikon produce a wide-angle zoom eyepiece, I would certainly give it it's due attention. What I can tell everyone is that myself and Cameron Cox ( Nikon ProStaff) wrote up changes that we feel Nikon Corp. needs to make in order to compete with other optics companies. We sent them into the factory back in January. Now, I feel that our edge-edge clarity and overall light absoprtion competes with the best, but our depth of field and lack of a wide-angled zoom with a large ocular is holding us back. We clearly stated all of this in our suggestions. Now, the trick is whether or not they will listen to us. I would hope so since it is with their money that I represent Nikon and I believe this is why they pay me. While I can't elaborate on anything in particular, I can say that I would keep an eye open for new and exciting things to come in the near future. Everyone, I am with you all on this one. Lets just hope that the Japanese choose to focus on the advice that we gave them.
Cheers and Good Birding,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon Birding Market Specialist
Kimmo,
Well, I am glad that I have some support here about this issue. This has been the major issue in my book that has actually kept me from using the zoom eyepiece. I prefer my 30x wide angle anyway, but should Nikon produce a wide-angle zoom eyepiece, I would certainly give it it's due attention. What I can tell everyone is that myself and Cameron Cox ( Nikon ProStaff) wrote up changes that we feel Nikon Corp. needs to make in order to compete with other optics companies. We sent them into the factory back in January. Now, I feel that our edge-edge clarity and overall light absoprtion competes with the best, but our depth of field and lack of a wide-angled zoom with a large ocular is holding us back. We clearly stated all of this in our suggestions. Now, the trick is whether or not they will listen to us. I would hope so since it is with their money that I represent Nikon and I believe this is why they pay me. While I can't elaborate on anything in particular, I can say that I would keep an eye open for new and exciting things to come in the near future. Everyone, I am with you all on this one. Lets just hope that the Japanese choose to focus on the advice that we gave them.
Cheers and Good Birding,
Mike Freiberg
Nikon Birding Market Specialist
kabsetz said:
Mike,
Thanks for your reply, I'm glad to hear that you are working on further improvements and giving constructive feedback to the company people in Japan. Coming from their largest market, we can hope they'll lend you an ear. I have heard from people in the trade in Finland that all too often any feedback coming from Europeans goes unnoticed there.
Concerning the other points you made, I agree with all but one. That is, I'm not convinced there is any real difference between Nikon and any of the other top scopes in depth of field. The Nikon has by far the fastest focus, though, and this can easily make the d.o.f. appear shallower. I have done a fair bit of experimenting with d.o.f., and have never been able to see any difference at all between different models and brands as long as 1) their magnification is identical, 2) their level of optical aberrations is more or less the same, and 3) (possibly, I'm not quite as sure about this in practice) their exit pupil is the same.
It is very clear, though, that people generally interpret the effect of slow and precise focus to be good depth of field. Personally, I have no problem with Nikon Fieldscope's fast helical focus, but I also have no problem with Swarovski's slower helical focus ring or Zeiss's dual knob, which I prefer slightly over the others.
Since the Fieldscope 82 with zoom has higher magnifications than other premium scopes, people will by and large be using higher magnifications and even those who perefer to use their zoom at the lowest setting most of the time will have to use 20% higher magnification. Thus they will, on the average, also see a shallower d.o.f.
Incidentally, I have been using a very good sample of the ED 82 A, and one of the first things I noticed with it in the field (using the zoom) was its exceptionally good d.o.f.
Kimmo
Thanks for your reply, I'm glad to hear that you are working on further improvements and giving constructive feedback to the company people in Japan. Coming from their largest market, we can hope they'll lend you an ear. I have heard from people in the trade in Finland that all too often any feedback coming from Europeans goes unnoticed there.
Concerning the other points you made, I agree with all but one. That is, I'm not convinced there is any real difference between Nikon and any of the other top scopes in depth of field. The Nikon has by far the fastest focus, though, and this can easily make the d.o.f. appear shallower. I have done a fair bit of experimenting with d.o.f., and have never been able to see any difference at all between different models and brands as long as 1) their magnification is identical, 2) their level of optical aberrations is more or less the same, and 3) (possibly, I'm not quite as sure about this in practice) their exit pupil is the same.
It is very clear, though, that people generally interpret the effect of slow and precise focus to be good depth of field. Personally, I have no problem with Nikon Fieldscope's fast helical focus, but I also have no problem with Swarovski's slower helical focus ring or Zeiss's dual knob, which I prefer slightly over the others.
Since the Fieldscope 82 with zoom has higher magnifications than other premium scopes, people will by and large be using higher magnifications and even those who perefer to use their zoom at the lowest setting most of the time will have to use 20% higher magnification. Thus they will, on the average, also see a shallower d.o.f.
Incidentally, I have been using a very good sample of the ED 82 A, and one of the first things I noticed with it in the field (using the zoom) was its exceptionally good d.o.f.
Kimmo
henry link
Well-known member
Mike,
I've come to the same conclusion as Kimmo about depth of field and magnification.
Besides a new zoom eyepiece for the Fieldscopes here's my wish list for Nikon:
1) rubber armoring for the Fieldscopes.
2) adapters to allow 1.25" astro eyepieces to be used on the fieldscopes and to allow the Fieldscope eyepieces to be used on 1.25" astro scopes.
3) new porro SE binoculars; waterproof, ED objectives and fully adjustable twist type eyecups. I'd also prefer to see the 8x32 configured as a reverse porro for better merging of the left and right fields at close focus.
4) new roof prism binoculars with ED objectives, dielectric mirror coating (or better yet Abbe-Koenig prisms) and at least a 60 degree AFOV in the 8x42.
As soon as we get all this stuff, I'll think up some more. ;-)
Henry
I've come to the same conclusion as Kimmo about depth of field and magnification.
Besides a new zoom eyepiece for the Fieldscopes here's my wish list for Nikon:
1) rubber armoring for the Fieldscopes.
2) adapters to allow 1.25" astro eyepieces to be used on the fieldscopes and to allow the Fieldscope eyepieces to be used on 1.25" astro scopes.
3) new porro SE binoculars; waterproof, ED objectives and fully adjustable twist type eyecups. I'd also prefer to see the 8x32 configured as a reverse porro for better merging of the left and right fields at close focus.
4) new roof prism binoculars with ED objectives, dielectric mirror coating (or better yet Abbe-Koenig prisms) and at least a 60 degree AFOV in the 8x42.
As soon as we get all this stuff, I'll think up some more. ;-)
Henry
henry link
Well-known member
Here's another one for the list. Increase the Fieldscope 60mm objective to 65mm.
willemjacobusse
Well-known member
Sounds to me like u guys really want a Pentax!! A merger maybe?
henry link
Well-known member
Maybe so. I like the focuser better on the 65mm Pentax (but not the 80mm). I would also particularly want the merged 65mm Pentikon to have the higher focal ratio objective and Schmidt erecting prism from the Nikon Fieldscope.
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willemjacobusse
Well-known member
Picky, picky! lolhenry link said:
Pentikon, nice name!
Wldnt higher focal ratio mean a longer tube? I.E. a bigger scope?
willemjacobusse
Well-known member
Ona more serious note. I am still confused about focal ratios: whats the drawback of a "fast" scope?
I have the same scope with the 30x Wide DS eyepeice. Came with the unit as I bought the whole set for digiscoping. I used the scope as a scope for the first time yesterday and I will echo your WOW. I did add a sight for the front that aids in getting on target quickly. although I will probably replace the rubber band with a hose clamp to keep it in the exact spot I want it. I use the set screw for my adapter as the rear sight and aim it just like a rifle.Enjoy your scope and welcome.cl5man said:
very interesting thread. I'm a big fan of the 82 ED and continue to enjoy it everyday with the 25-75 zoom and 30x DS eyepieces. The 30x DS really produces this WOW feeling 
I have planned to purchase a high magnification eyepiece but I do not know which one, 50x or 75x, MC or DS. This is mainly for bird IDing in good lightning conditions early in the morning, thus haze and warm up should not be a problem. I have read the nice comments of John Traynor about the 50x DS, and wonder if the 75x DS gives also this WOW feeling.
happy birding,
Pierre
I have planned to purchase a high magnification eyepiece but I do not know which one, 50x or 75x, MC or DS. This is mainly for bird IDing in good lightning conditions early in the morning, thus haze and warm up should not be a problem. I have read the nice comments of John Traynor about the 50x DS, and wonder if the 75x DS gives also this WOW feeling.
happy birding,
Pierre
Jason Bugay Reyes
Well-known member
i've mine too hehehe but the shop ordered wrong eyepiece 20x/30x/38x wide MC as i did ask for 30x DS for my next digiscoping.
but for WOW, ypu i agreed !
tried it this morning with friend n saw black-crowned nite-heron together with the immature n 2nite going to watch the moon as well probably the next-door condo hahaha
but for WOW, ypu i agreed !
tried it this morning with friend n saw black-crowned nite-heron together with the immature n 2nite going to watch the moon as well probably the next-door condo hahaha
bryan.jenkins
New member
Nikon FSA-L1
I have recently purchased the Niokon ED 82 which I am very pleased with. I am considering purchasing the Nikon FSA-L1 attachment so that I can use the scope with my Nikon D50.
My concerns are the restriction to f13, and the minimum shutter speeds available with an acceptable weight tripod. At the moment I am using a home made mounting bracket for the D50 which restricts me to speeds faster than 1/150 sec. Problem is, whenever I want to use it light levels are low.
I am new to digiscoping and struggling with focus with the above set up. How bright is the FSA and should I use a focus magnifier. I would like to hear from anyone about their FSA. There seems to be limited reviews on it.
mfreiberg said:
I have recently purchased the Niokon ED 82 which I am very pleased with. I am considering purchasing the Nikon FSA-L1 attachment so that I can use the scope with my Nikon D50.
My concerns are the restriction to f13, and the minimum shutter speeds available with an acceptable weight tripod. At the moment I am using a home made mounting bracket for the D50 which restricts me to speeds faster than 1/150 sec. Problem is, whenever I want to use it light levels are low.
I am new to digiscoping and struggling with focus with the above set up. How bright is the FSA and should I use a focus magnifier. I would like to hear from anyone about their FSA. There seems to be limited reviews on it.
