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Old Wednesday 2nd January 2019, 17:53   #1
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Goshawk or Sparrowhawk

I had this bird visiting my garden, all likelihood would suggest a sparrowhawk but the bulk and colour made me think it could be a goshawk. I am quite close to the new forest so it isn't beyond the realm of possibility but I don't know enough to distinguish. Any suggestions from these shots I managed to get?

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Old Wednesday 2nd January 2019, 18:34   #2
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What was the prey item? Looks like a Collared Dove or Woodpigeon. Not beyond the realms of possibility for a Goshawk. Looks to have a long tail, bulky and shaggy trousers and side under tail coverts. But as its known, always rule out a Sparrowhawk first.
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Old Wednesday 2nd January 2019, 18:59   #3
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Sparrowhawk... Legs too thin for Goshawk - tail barring on Goshawk has thin white edge on each bar, this bird hasn't - breast barring not tight enough, even allowing for spread if eaten a lot. I'd guess at adult female.
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Spar for me, although this is a big bird, it just doesn't look like a Gos to me...........?
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Old Thursday 3rd January 2019, 12:43   #5
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Just my mind wandering...have there even been proven wild hybridization between Sparrow and Gos hawk? The only scenario I'm considering is a Male Goshawk with a large female Sparrowhawk.
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Old Sunday 6th January 2019, 08:43   #6
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Just my mind wandering...have there even been proven wild hybridization between Sparrow and Gos hawk? The only scenario I'm considering is a Male Goshawk with a large female Sparrowhawk.
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No, but falconers have done that. A rare cross , I think and only via artificial insemination....
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Than you Joern.
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Old Sunday 6th January 2019, 11:19   #8
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Just my mind wandering...have there even been proven wild hybridization between Sparrow and Gos hawk? The only scenario I'm considering is a Male Goshawk with a large female Sparrowhawk.
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Some clues might be found here:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...03433999800094

I could not quite interpret the result though.
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