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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 06:58   #101
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Does anybody know what NL stands for?
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 06:59   #102
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How about sizing? Looks long but could be because of the slim shape
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 07:04   #103
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Just been looking at the new pricing structure on the Swarovski website could be time to pick up an EL at a having price as the book price is now lower.
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Does anybody know what NL stands for?
I have asked my Swaro contact, prompt answer as usual:

NL=Nature Lover!

Reminder: EL=Ergonomic Light
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https://www.optyczne.pl/15132-news-N...i_NL_Pure.html

https://aa.swarovskioptik.com/birdin...-8x42-p5598795
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Does anybody know what NL stands for?
Perhaps they quietly moved production to the land of windmills during the pandemic


The forehead-rest appears to be an optional extra. How much does it weigh? And how much will it cost?
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And how much will it cost?
129 Euro.
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Perhaps they quietly moved production to the land of windmills during the pandemic


The forehead-rest appears to be an optional extra. How much does it weigh? And how much will it cost?
And does it really help? From what I heard it does, to some extent.
Another interesting question is the compromise pincushion distortion vs RB.
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Looking at the specifications with regards to close focusing distance this has increased over the EL from 1.5m to 2.0m 8.5xEL compared to 8X NL and to 2m in the 10x. Still close focusing compared to sum. I’m surprised they did not keep it to 1.5m maybe it’s a compromise that had to be made for the new design?

I also noticed a brush and bar of soap comes as part of the package for cleaning the out side of the binoculars. I wonder why?
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I also noticed a brush and bar of soap comes as part of the package for cleaning the out side of the binoculars. I wonder why?
That comes in handy during the pandemic. More seriously, it appears that the material used for the armor is recyclable and probably it requires more care than the SV's armor (EL's too?).

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.... The forehead-rest ....
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And does it really help? ....
The forehead-rest would seem to serve double duty as a safety device ...... it stops your head from crashing into the sales counter as the retail price is rung up !





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Last time I saw a blue spin that strong was when I accidently dropped a box of Harpic cartridges into a flushing toilet bowl !!

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Noooo, it was the last time you had your hair tinted!

With ER of 18mm as well as the super fov, those eyepieces will be really heavy giving a strong weight bias to the eyepieces. No wonder they need a forehead rest.

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I'm assuming that they're so much more expensive to cover development costs & tooling rather than any greater difficulty in production. I'd also assume that whatever trick they used to increase FoV is copyrighted so others will not be able to follow suit. I'm mildly surprised that so few people seem to blanch at an already very expensive top tier line becoming still more expensive. I'm pleased for them that some out there have their own personal magic money tree but for many birders what seems to be a superb instrument will be financially out-of-reach. If, as someone has speculated, the less expensive SLC range will be dropped then a line of binoculars even more expensive than the ELs may not make sense given the likely post-covid economic downturn (although obviously they were in development long before the contagion struck). Personally, I was hoping that they'd go in the opposite direction and follow other alpha manufacturers and produce a line below the SLC in price. Then again that step up in 10x42 FoV (one of the benefits that made me switch to 8x) makes them very desirable ...... where's my bank manager?
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Someone at Swarovski must be a fan of old Ross binoculars.

In the 1950s and 60s they marketed the 8x40 Spectaross with a very similar brow pad designed to allow the binocular to be used while wearing spectacles.


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From what I read and saw:

1. finally Swarovski aknowledges that FOV is important;
2. the huge FOV with those huge eyepieces and wasp-like shape could indicate a lot of weight is shifted towards the eyepieces, but Swarovski didn't mention anything about the weight balance. If it's 840g and the weight is shifted, it is all good. If the weight is at the ocular lenses, it's bad.
3. The focuser looks much more fluid (with connections at top and bottom) and I like the bigger ribbles. It almost looks Zeiss-like. I wonder if the number of rotations from close to infinite has come down as well in order to focus faster.
4. The close focus is not impressive at 2.0 meters, but mostly in practice the indicated close focus is conservative and I usually see 10-20% closer (maybe because I am nearsighted?). So I guess it's OK. Probably there were too many compromises to be made combining close focus with the FOV in terms of eyepiece design and focusing design.
5. The head support looks... interesting. I would like to give it a try.

All in all, a worthy binocular (finally) that I would consider buying when comparing the top of the line, but that price seems a bit... high!
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From what I read and saw:

1. finally Swarovski aknowledges that FOV is important;
2. the huge FOV with those huge eyepieces and wasp-like shape could indicate a lot of weight is shifted towards the eyepieces, but Swarovski didn't mention anything about the weight balance. If it's 840g and the weight is shifted, it is all good. If the weight is at the ocular lenses, it's bad.
1. Quite a few 7x and 8x porros made in the 50s-70s had FoVs of 11*, 12.5* and even 13.5* (a Russian super-wide angle bino had a whopping AFoV=104*)
2. I guess you meant objective lenses.
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4. The close focus is not impressive at 2.0 meters, but mostly in practice the indicated close focus is conservative and I usually see 10-20% closer (maybe because I am nearsighted?).
Yes, temmie, that's exactly the reason.
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1. Quite a few 7x and 8x porros made in the 50s-70s had FoVs of 11*, 12.5* and even 13.5* (a Russian super-wide angle bino had a whopping AFoV=104*)
2. I guess you meant objective lenses.
1. those were not Swarovski, no? I was talking about Swarovski vs. wide-angle.
2. indeed, thanks for the correction!
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Question Angled Pushrods ??

Anyone care to elaborate on the "angled pushrods" ...?

Jan - have you cut one of these new 'Dutchie' (NL ) models in half yet so that we can see what makes er tick ??








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From the latest Swaro FB post, the "Sharp to the edges" became "Almost indiscernible edges".

Now, I might be wrong, but that's not quite exactly the same to me.
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From the latest Swaro FB post, the "Sharp to the edges" became "Almost indiscernible edges".

Now, I might be wrong, but that's not quite exactly the same to me.
Yes and they also say: "barely perceptible edges", so this must be some reference to that quote near the beginning of the video 'what is better than sharp edges is no edges at all'. Spooky.

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I do not believe that the forehead rest will solve the issue of shaking hands in the prolonged watching periods (e.g. seabird migration). The only way to cope with this issue is to use a finnstick / monopod. I hope that the new NL Pure has a threaded insert in the front of the focusing knob where you can attach a tripod mount securely (to use with a monopod) as you can in the SLC series.
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Swarovski is offering under NL warranty free installation of the forehead rest to your head.
You just have to mail yourself in a large envelope to their service center.

All of the cool rich kids are doing it.

$500 extra for a crystallized forehead rest.

$200 fee + shipping costs for removal.
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