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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 10:43   #126
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Swarovski is offering under NL warranty free installation of the forehead rest to your head.
You just have to mail yourself in a large envelope to their service center.

All of the cool rich kids are doing it.

$500 extra for a crystallized forehead rest.

$200 fee + shipping costs for removal.
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 10:44   #127
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Does anybody know what NL stands for?
The Netherlands.

Its a van Daalen plot!

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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 11:13   #128
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[quote=tenex;4025341

Indeed, the 12x can't have the virtually same FOV as the 10x. Still it's an interesting choice and suggests there will be no 50mm NL, whatever one imagines about a possible 32. (12x42 won't be to most birders' tastes any more than my 10x32 is, but I'm sure Swaro have done it well.)[/QUOTE]


The website says for the 12.42 real fov 6.5 deg, which means a fov of 114m but the site states 133m which is clearly a wobble.

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I have the EL 10X42 Rangefinder and EL 12X50's and the 12X42's will be a great addition..

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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 11:24   #130
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Talking about cost may be a little vulgar, but £2781 is a rather shocking price.


...one shop in the UK was discounting some EL bins by hundreds of pounds yesterday ...coincidence?


... my small collection could instead be enhanced with a Kowa Highlander 32x82 for £2999
(only219 more)


Hmmm, still thinking my next aquisition will be the 7x42 Habicht
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 11:31   #131
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About the headrest, this could be a very useful accessory. For spectacle wearers and non-spectacle wearers alike. However, it should be adjustable, but is it?

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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 11:49   #132
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I have the EL 10X42 Rangefinder and EL 12X50's and the 12X42's will be a great addition..

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About the headrest, this could be a very useful accessory. For spectacle wearers and non-spectacle wearers alike. However, it should be adjustable, but is it?

BTW, it's not a new invention. For instance, Ross applied it on their Spectaross, more than half a century ago.

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It is adjustable.
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 12:08   #134
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The Netherlands.

Its a van Daalen plot!

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Initially I suspected the same but:

NL=Nature Lover
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 12:38   #135
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UK pricing is £2370, £2410 and £2450.

To "protect" the Legend that is the EL, prices have been reduced by 10% on the 32mm models and 20% on the 42mm models. 50mm are unchanged.

SLC remains on the 10% reduction that was introduced earlier but the 42mm models are marked as "While stocks last" on the latest price list.
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 12:56   #136
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To get an intimate view some form of winged eyecups to cut out distractions can really help.... a job for the binobandit and a missing opportunity for binocular makers.

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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 13:06   #137
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I'd also assume that whatever trick they used to increase FoV is copyrighted so others will not be able to follow suit.
Well, there were plenty of wideangle binoculars in years past, some with even wider angles than this bunch, so I doubt anything will be "copyrighted".

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Old Wednesday 1st July 2020, 13:13   #138
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I hope that the new NL Pure has a threaded insert in the front of the focusing knob where you can attach a tripod mount securely (to use with a monopod) as you can in the SLC series.
According to the introduction yesterday: No.
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All in all, a worthy binocular (finally) that I would consider buying when comparing the top of the line, but that price seems a bit... high!
9m more fov (and 100g heavier) than the Zeiss FL 7x42 you and I both use Lieven, seems a prohibitively high price to pay for such an incremental improvement!

I'm sure these are fine (if very ugly) optics, but I can't see a real world application where they will make a difference over previous wide angle models? I'm sure somebody will say something about blurred edges, but most birders (I know and would rate as knowledgeable) look at the centre of the image and not the around the edge.

One for the all the gear and no idea brigade... or if you are feeling less harsh, knowledgeable birders with deep pockets
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Swarovski is offering under NL warranty free installation of the forehead rest to your head.
You just have to mail yourself in a large envelope to their service center.

All of the cool rich kids are doing it.

$500 extra for a crystallized forehead rest.

$200 fee + shipping costs for removal.
Why are you making fun of this poor luxury company? It says right there on their site that the forehead rest is cushioned with recycled ostrich leather, and that healthchecked young ladies or young men from “RotLicht”, a personal service enterprise in Amsterdam NL will home-deliver, and ensure customer satisfaction.

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9m more fov (and 100g heavier) than the Zeiss FL 7x42 you and I both use Lieven, seems a prohibitively high price to pay for such an incremental improvement!

I'm sure these are fine (if very ugly) optics, but I can't see a real world application where they will make a difference over previous wide angle models? I'm sure somebody will say something about blurred edges, but most birders (I know and would rate as knowledgeable) look at the centre of the image and not the around the edge.

One for the all the gear and no idea brigade... or if you are feeling less harsh, knowledgeable birders with deep pockets
Have you used an EL SV for ten years so you know what it's all about?

Guessing not.
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Well, there were plenty of wideangle binoculars in years past, some with even wider angles than this bunch, so I doubt anything will be "copyrighted".

Hermann
But Herman, on the Swarovski website it tells us NL has:

"The largest-ever field of view with almost indiscernible edges"

So perhaps those earlier binos with even wider fields of view had 'discernable edges'.

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I wonder if that video was thrown together post haste to head off a leak or something ?
It is p-a-i-n-f-u-l to watch ...... worse than an episode of the Kardashians or something !






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9m more fov (and 100g heavier) than the Zeiss FL 7x42 you and I both use Lieven, seems a prohibitively high price to pay for such an incremental improvement!

I'm sure these are fine (if very ugly) optics, but I can't see a real world application where they will make a difference over previous wide angle models? I'm sure somebody will say something about blurred edges, but most birders (I know and would rate as knowledgeable) look at the centre of the image and not the around the edge.

One for the all the gear and no idea brigade... or if you are feeling less harsh, knowledgeable birders with deep pockets
don't be so rude!

Suppose you are a very enthusiastic young (or old) birder having saved enough money to finally buy that Swarovision / Noctivid / SF you know you'll be using for the next 10-15 years, and this one comes out...
First of all you'll need to save some more but anyone shopping for the very best has one more contender to consider, and I think that's a good thing!

I have the 7x42 T*FL and indeed I don't see much benefit compared to that 8x42 NL (even though it already has a wider FOV with birds a bit closer, so that is an upgrade!). But if I ever buy another binocular, it will probably be a 10x42 with lots of eye relief, a wide FOV, a snappy, quick focuser and good ergonomics. I feel this Swaro finally ticks most of the boxes, and if it didn't exist, I would probably be only considering the 10x42 SF. Now there is a bit more choice. I actually have been thinking about buying a new pair of binoculars for some time, not because the 7x42 T*FL is letting me down, but because the longer I have them, the less I would be willing to risk them getting lost / broken / stolen during one of my travels. At least if I have another pair, I have 50% less chance (but 50% of having a very expensive SF or NL stollen / lost or broken ).

Happily, I can also just not buy any binocular at the moment as I have better ways of spending / investing my money! And my 7x42 T*FL cost me around 1100 euro back in the days... You can buy 2.5 of those for one of the new Swaro NLs! Expensive views so they'll better be good!
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I can't wait to get my hands on a pair of 10x42's.
However, to buy them outright I'll have to sell both my current 10x42 SV's and my 8x32 SV's...

I think a binocular over 2.5 K is a bit much... I mean, that's more than I paid for my car ����

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Why are you making fun of this poor luxury company? It says right there on their site that the forehead rest is cushioned with recycled ostrich leather, and that healthchecked young ladies or young men from “RotLicht”, a personal service enterprise in Amsterdam NL will home-deliver, and ensure customer satisfaction.

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For those BF members who also hunt with a rifle (there must a few lurking in the shadows of an inconstant moon) the forehead support feature is rather cool as it could be modified to accept a small padded V to accommodate the rifle's forend for those cross-canyon shots from the prone position

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Huge Swaro fan here. Predicting that the well-healed and "gotta have the latest and greatest" guy/gal will probably get one. I find the price and the head rest contraption to be a joke. I've used one on the BTX spotting scope system. Looks good upon first glance, but a great way to introduce unsteadiness to your glass.
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No pun intended but that was painful viewing.

I wonder who will offer aftermarket disposable headrest pads of the peel & stick variety? That or a suitably proportioned peice of leather glued to the plastic to improve user comfort.

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Swarovski is saying the headrest pad is as efficient as the IS system on the Canon's! Wow!
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Two things...

I too find it interesting that soap and brush are included as an accessory.

Second....the cost. Yes, a bit prohibitive for many. But look at the scope line they came out with. They kept the ATS line for us 'poor folks' at only $3000 US dollars w/o the $1500 tripod :-) .... but also have the ATX line that runs up to $4500 US dollars w/o that same $1500 Tripod.

Now...I have seen plenty of those set-ups in the field so know someone has the $....and can assume someone will have the $'s for this very minimal cost of a binocular.
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