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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 15:41
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Harrier SW France
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It was seen yesterday while trying to watch a Pallid Harrier which is currently in the area. The Pallid showed himself a few minutes after this one. Is this OK for you for a 2nd winter Hen Harrier or not? What about this greyish P10? It looks adult feather-like but is it just an old worn juvenile flight feather (but doesn’t look very rusty/brownish, not easy maybe with this poor light)? This whitish mask? Quite weak black trailing edge? What do you think about this bird ? |
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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 15:43
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2 more pictures
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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 17:01
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Anyone else thinking of a hybird when looking at these pictures or am I going crazy?
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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 17:16
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Defenitily a most interesting bird. Not only P1 shows not enough black but so does P5 and even P4 should show a broad dark tip. Hybrid would be my guess and I would like to hear Dick Forsman's opinion, you should mail him these pictures (dickforsman.com)
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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 17:42
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Let me explain the reasoning behind my madness...
First off I believe this can be aged as an advanced 2cy (perhaps even a 3cy, I'm not sure) due to the streaked breast, faint collar, white around eye and brown tinted upperwing coverts. I also think that p10 is 'adult-type' and not juvenile. Of course I'm probably wrong as hybrids are very rare but here are my thoughts... Pallid features - Thin and weak trailing edge - White p10 with diffuse black tip - Head shape Hen features - Bulging outer secondaries - Fingered p6/five distinct fingers Intermediate features - Extent of black in outer primaries reaching to primary coverts - Black on p5 |
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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 17:46
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Sorry Tom I didn't see your message before posting. I'm glad we share similar thoughts!
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Wednesday 13th December 2017, 19:50
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I can't see where on the website I can post the pictures...
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Saturday 16th December 2017, 12:55
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Dick Forsman thinks this it is indeed a pallid x hen harrier. Thank you very much for your participation to the ID of this bird!
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Saturday 16th December 2017, 14:37
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Sunday 17th December 2017, 18:44
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Great photo !
have seen hybrid, but not a male that advanced |
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