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Raptors (Vultures?) Grenoble, France (1 Viewer)

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A group of 5 of these seen over the Bastille in Grenoble in August.
Apologies for picture quality, opportunist shot at range with a compact camera.
I'm guessing Griffon Vulture, because of the group.
 

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They were quite close before we got the camera out and looked much bigger than kites, must have been mistaken. We did see Griffons a week later nearby in the Vercors mountains and thought they looked similar.
 
It looks like at least one is red kite...
Well, pics 2-5 are a bit too blurry for me to be certain of anything, other than that they are moulting kites. But the first one looks like a typical Black Kite IMO.


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They were quite close before we got the camera out and looked much bigger than kites, must have been mistaken. We did see Griffons a week later nearby in the Vercors mountains and thought they looked similar.
Size can be difficult to gauge sometimes. But there are other useful cues, such as comparing the length of the tail to the breadth of the wings. Griffon Vulture has broad wings and a short tail, i.e. a very different ratio compared to these birds.
 
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First one is definitely a juvenile Black Kite. Black Kites leave early to Africa, and a groupe of 9 should be unusual ; last bird is definitely (older) Red Kite, and I suspect 3 other photos to show the same individual Red Kite.

Therefore, your group is a group of Red Kites (common at this time of year), with one or two late Black Kites in it (most of late Black Kites are juvenile indeed).
 
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