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Portugal - Algarve IDs 2 (1 Viewer)
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esmondb
The fool that MrT doesn't pity
Some others that I wasn't too sure on:
Which lark? Crested?
Short-toed? Is there enough detail in the photo to confirm?
Which wagtail?
Siskin? Certainly not a place I'd expect to see one
Little bittern disappearing into the distance?
Which lark? Crested?
Short-toed? Is there enough detail in the photo to confirm?
Which wagtail?
Siskin? Certainly not a place I'd expect to see one
Little bittern disappearing into the distance?
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Simon Wates
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Waders:
1. Sanderling showing the start of breeding plumage - note lack of hind toe.
2. Dunlin
3. Kentish Pover
4. Sanderling
5. Kentish Plover
Others:
1. Crested Lark - bill too long for Thekla's
2. ST Treecreeper (only one recorded in Portugal)
3. Yellow Wagtail; Iberian race iberiae, note white throat.
4. Siskin - there's been a lot this winter
5.Little Bittern
1. Sanderling showing the start of breeding plumage - note lack of hind toe.
2. Dunlin
3. Kentish Pover
4. Sanderling
5. Kentish Plover
Others:
1. Crested Lark - bill too long for Thekla's
2. ST Treecreeper (only one recorded in Portugal)
3. Yellow Wagtail; Iberian race iberiae, note white throat.
4. Siskin - there's been a lot this winter
5.Little Bittern
lou salomon
the birdonist
1 sanderling
2 dunlin
3 kentish plover
4 sanderling
5 kentish plovers
6 crested lark
7 short-toed (white outer border to alula is m.o.l. diagnostic)
8 yellow wag
9 siskin female
10 male little bittern
edit: simon beat me to it.
2 dunlin
3 kentish plover
4 sanderling
5 kentish plovers
6 crested lark
7 short-toed (white outer border to alula is m.o.l. diagnostic)
8 yellow wag
9 siskin female
10 male little bittern
edit: simon beat me to it.
Simon Wates
Well-known member
By the way, and not doubting Lou at all, the best "feature" for clinching Short-toed Treecreeper are the calls and song - its a very vocal creature and very different sounding than Eurasian Treecreeper.
Simon Wates
Well-known member
It does happen - unobliging of them!
Please don't take this negatively, but if I was in the Algarve for a week I wouldn't bother with golf courses - unless I was stuck there with no vehicle maybe. If you go north just some 20kms ish - say along the road to Barranco do Velho you will hit very large areas of Cork Oak woodland where all the Algravean woodland type birds are easy - and many more of them than on the coast. Subalpine, Dartford and Melodious Warblers, Iberian Chiffies, Nightingales, Rock Bunting, Golden Oriole, Ib Green and Lesser Spotted Woodpeckers, Short-toed and Bonelli's Eagles (the former easy), Cuckoo and much more - anyway, just a thought
lou salomon
the birdonist
of course it is. but is you have a photo the best trait is the all white outer border to alula for STT, but only about half of them show it...(plus if the wingbar is well visible - no step in it).
Simon Wates
Well-known member
Lou, do you mean only about half the birds have it - or that only half the photos show it? Its not a feature I knew about :t:
lou salomon
the birdonist
many STT don't show it, they have a dipped in white tip of the alula similar to eurasian treecreeper, but some (i don't know the percentage) brachydactyla have these white borders along the "front" edge of alula, sometimes not going way up, sometimes they do, like in this individual, and if it's the case, this is diagnostic for short-toed.
esmondb
The fool that MrT doesn't pity
It does happen - unobliging of them!
Please don't take this negatively, but if I was in the Algarve for a week I wouldn't bother with golf courses - unless I was stuck there with no vehicle maybe. If you go north just some 20kms ish - say along the road to Barranco do Velho you will hit very large areas of Cork Oak woodland where all the Algravean woodland type birds are easy - and many more of them than on the coast. Subalpine, Dartford and Melodious Warblers, Iberian Chiffies, Nightingales, Rock Bunting, Golden Oriole, Ib Green and Lesser Spotted Woodpeckers, Short-toed and Bonelli's Eagles (the former easy), Cuckoo and much more - anyway, just a thought
I'm grateful for all your help Simon. This absolutely wasn't a birding holiday so getting away for more than an hour at any one time was difficult. Pinhal was adjacent to the villa we were staying in and had crested tit, hoopoe and the short-toed treecreeper pair at the the entrance to hole 4 and a vociferous wryneck in the trees between my villa and the course - all seen while waiting for other people to get ready. Crested tit is a bird I've yet to see in the UK.
My only regret is that I didn't message you before I came out as your expert local knowledge would have been invaluable for the short time I had. That said, I saw a lot of great birds and saw some blue sky and sunshine and I'm now determined to go back.
Simon Wates
Well-known member
Many thanks - I suppose it has nothing to do with sex or age?
Simon Wates
Well-known member
All good stuff, the area you were in is "completo" of Crested Tits, not always easy to find and absent from many areas.
RafaelMatias
Unknown member
In any case you don't need to worry about Eurasian in Portugal. In the Iberian Peninsula it occurs only in northern Spain where it's sedentary (only non-relevant altitudinal movements); here's a distribution map.
RafaelMatias
Unknown member
Simon Wates
Well-known member
You mean, "cheio" :t:
Damn.....once a year I make a terrible mistake in Portuguese and it has to be on here :-O
If I'd been chatting casually I wouldn't have said that.
22 years here and 13 in Spain...messes with the neurons!
Simon Wates
Well-known member
RafaelMatias
Unknown member
Hehe... you don't want to count the number of times I make mistakes in English here
I just stopped worrying, as long as the message passes! :t: As a matter of fact, the number of times I make mistakes in Portuguese (daily) can also be staggering!! oSimon Wates
Well-known member
....but mine was very bad indeed
