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Old Wednesday 13th November 2019, 16:46   #26
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We need two things which we definitely aren't getting :

ACTION, less hot air - the amount of new research demanded when we really know an awful lot about what we need to do is unbelievable; I propose non-transferrable carbon quotas. We have a good idea how much each person can use without causing problems, lets set that as a maximum. Then people can choose how they meet their quota.

Population REDUCTION, non-violent !
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Old Thursday 14th November 2019, 08:41   #27
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Pretty much agree with all of this.

Re bags, we were on holiday in Nelson BC a few years back and the bags were hemp based, and therefore recyclable. Seemed a simple idea that would be easy to adopt.

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How much wilderness space would growing sufficient hemp take?

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Old Thursday 14th November 2019, 11:32   #28
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Wow, my wife is veggie for about 40 years and never yet bothered to replace her vital micro-nutrients and aminoacids from meat. Assuming what you wrote is trustworthy and not made-up complete garbage id Better warn her as she is surely headed straight for an early grave. Surprised she is still alive tbh.
Maybe she will be too stupid to understand though?

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More veggie propaganda here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envi...eat_production

In case anyone wants an alternative to pub bore drivel

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That reads like a hatchet job from the veggie propaganda society (and this coming from someone who had a veggie pie the other day - they were all out of chunky beef ..... ).

Nothing really said of the land fertility and mulching benefits of grazing animals - that's how the whole kit and kaboodle evolved.
I've got nothing against anyone wanting to go vegan, but demonizing a natural process seems like self righteous quasi religious nuttery to me. It also assumes the whole climate thing is real .....

No doubt that intensive animal farming has deleterious impacts - but also a whole heap of unharnessed resources too. Solar power generating shade structures able to provide power and rainfall captured water, land use can include wind turbines which largely occupy airspace above, captured methane emissions biogas power, collected manure able to be composted with green waste to make soil and heat harnessed power just for starters - at least the footprint is efficiently small and not dependent on arable land for location.

Clearing virgin primary forest for either meat production or crops for vegans (or bioethanol crops) is the real issue. As is fallow ground and chemical and gmo farming. As is not restoring indigenous vegetation cores on previously cleared ground.

Concreting over previously cleared and used land and destroying the natural hydrology cycles is just sheer lunacy. As is the capitalist ponzi scheme.

We really should play the ball and not the man ......




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Old Thursday 14th November 2019, 11:40   #29
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That reads like a hatchet job from the veggie propaganda society (and this coming from someone who had a veggie pie the other day - they were all out of chunky beef ..... ).

Nothing really said of the land fertility and mulching benefits of grazing animals - that's how the whole kit and kaboodle evolved.
I've got nothing against anyone wanting to go vegan, but demonizing a natural process seems like self righteous quasi religious nuttery to me. It also assumes the whole climate thing is real .....

No doubt that intensive animal farming has deleterious impacts - but also a whole heap of unharnessed resources too. Solar power generating shade structures able to provide power and rainfall captured water, land use can include wind turbines which largely occupy airspace above, captured methane emissions biogas power, collected manure able to be composted with green waste to make soil and heat harnessed power just for starters - at least the footprint is efficiently small and not dependent on arable land for location.

Clearing virgin primary forest for either meat production or crops for vegans (or bioethanol crops) is the real issue. As is fallow ground and chemical and gmo farming. As is not restoring indigenous vegetation cores on previously cleared ground.

Concreting over previously cleared and used land and destroying the natural hydrology cycles is just sheer lunacy. As is the capitalist ponzi scheme.

We really should play the ball and not the man ......
Just to be clear - you don't believe in the current accepted climate change scenario?

I don't really get you in many respects (said nicely ). You are passionate about certain things from a conservation perspective, whereas others which don't impinge on you are summarily dismissed as totally irrelevant.

An Australia-centric view of the world and its problems isn't going to sort out the problems on a global scale. Bush meat and land size may not be an issue in Australia.

It's a human thing.
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Just to be clear - you don't believe in the current accepted climate change scenario?

I don't really get you in many respects (said nicely ). You are passionate about certain things from a conservation perspective, whereas others which don't impinge on you are summarily dismissed as totally irrelevant.

An Australia-centric view of the world and its problems isn't going to sort out the problems on a global scale. Bush meat and land size may not be an issue in Australia.

It's a human thing.
The jury is out for me still. Questions over lead/lag. The huge block of swiss cheese that is all the assumptions the 'science' is based on. The question of the heat delta from natural (orbital etc) cycles and it's effect on temperature. Then there is the politics - the holy grail of taxing air ....

We are having a ~2 year drought in this country and out of control fires (quite a few man lit) - the news vultures are having a field day - climate this - climate that - fear fear fear ........... ding ding !

No mention of the raped land - drained swamps and cleared vegetation. Eroded and dried land. Inappropriate agriculture leaving overgrazed range and fallow crop land. Artificially fertilised ground kills the soil biota, dries the land, and excess nutrient runoff destroys rivers and even the Great Barrier Reef. Completely destroyed hydrological cycle. Stuffed transpiration cycle means that moisture evaporates from the land and falls now at sea. Dust storms and erosion strip the degraded land of precious carbon and moisture laden topsoil. Diversion and harvesting of floodplain waters and over extraction from dammed and drained river systems has just about killed off most life over an area greater than several large European countries. Add to that the destruction of aquifers and spring dependent wetlands and plains by open cut and underground mining as well as coal seam gas and fracking. Further add to that rampant urban sprawl and gazzilions of tonnes of concrete trapping heat in what are known now as 'urban heat continents'. What were once a vital arterial network of creeks, alluvial flats, rivers and riparian vegetation is now just concrete drains.

And we wonder why the place is getting hotter ?!

Australia is not unique in this regard. Other countries may start from a higher base in terms of more fertile soil and higher rainfall - but the processes are the same. Britain is one group of countries among others, now seeing some of those chickens come home to roost ....

Worse still - the drivers are the same - capitalist greed and a giant ficticious ponzi scheme.

So yeah ....... I've got some doubts .......

Don't worry about not getting me - lol ..... that's everyone (save for a few who are able to wander in and out of time and space).

It's not that I'm summarily dismissing certain parts of the pie - it's just that I'm able to see a more wholistic view. It really is tied to things far bigger than most people perceive such as creation stories etc. Science will catch up eventually and nail it all together with quantum physics.

We are all largely on the same side, just viewing through different lenses - some a bit clearer than others - but all interesting and valid nonetheless.





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How much wilderness space would growing sufficient hemp take?

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Maths isnt my strong suit but Ive calculated this at between 5-10 acres. With a margin of error of -+/- 10000000 %.

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Old Thursday 14th November 2019, 13:00   #32
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Maths isnt my strong suit but Ive calculated this at between 5-10 acres. With a margin of error of -+/- 10000000 %.

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If you were referring to BC as British Columbia earlier then some aspect of the hemp fibres would be as byproduct of the cannabis industry in Canada? (More land there anyway, yes)
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Old Thursday 14th November 2019, 16:29   #34
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The most effective way to reduce ones carbon footprint is to kill oneself. I am not at all convinced to protect climate by this thread. But any self-righteous climate protectionist can show others an example.
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The most effective way to reduce ones carbon footprint is to kill oneself.
Nope. Think of all the CO₂ produced by a decaying corpse . . .
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The most effective way to reduce ones carbon footprint is to kill oneself.
Logically that means the most effective way to reduce more than one's carbon footprint is.....

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Old Friday 15th November 2019, 10:53   #37
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Logically that means the most effective way to reduce more than one's carbon footprint is.....

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