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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 13:06   #26
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According to Leica, the only place that you will be able to buy them are the Leica Stores. It appears that they will not be available anywhere else.
No, that's not quite right.

I heard from my dealer today that they expect the Trinovids in early December. They will NOT only be sold through the Leica Stores.

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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 14:30   #27
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I'd have bought a 7x35 were they available with rubber armoring.

Not interested in leather...
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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 20:54   #28
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The first WOW moment I had with a binocular was waaaay back in my college student days. The binocular was a 1969 version of the 7x35 Trinovid. While I might prefer a rubber armor, a big part of me would like to have a fully modernized 7x35, in leather. That way i could say I came full circle, from the then way out of reach financially old Trinovid to a new one. I thought I was pretty well done buying new binoculars, but I'm going to start toward the $1,250 price. Might have the $$ in hand when they finally come out.
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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 22:59   #29
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Steve:

I'm with you, I'd like to purchase one of these also. Not sure what size, I have a pristine 10x40
Trinovid and it is so very nice in the hand. I may go that direction so I can do a direct comparison.

I have lots of binoculars, and now am in a selling phase from my collecting days.

The reviews of these will be interesting.

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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 23:01   #30
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Fun to see these finally appear after all... but unimpressive FOV (as we knew before) and oddly also, transmission. And rubber eyecups today? What puzzles me is, wouldn't nostalgists be happier buying an actual vintage Trinovid?
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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 23:25   #31
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Fun to see these finally appear after all... but unimpressive FOV (as we knew before) and oddly also, transmission. And rubber eyecups today? What puzzles me is, wouldn't nostalgists be happier buying an actual vintage Trinovid?
As mentioned the original Trinovid is good, but a new updated model will
make it similar to the newer, brighter optics. That would be great.

The small size, prism design and ergos. of this Leica are very nice, and unique in many ways.

Some original owners may want to go out and use and enjoy their optics, this is one of them.

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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 12:35   #32
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Tenex mentions rubber eye cups but there's no evidence for this yet. Leica gives this in its specs: Eyecup with twist-and-pull action, adjustable with four click stops. Which is in accord with the manual.

The confusion originates from the fact that Leica has never issued pictures with pulled-up eye cups. Possibly because this might distort the likeness to the original Leitz Trinovid. The intriguing thing here is that in Leica's pictures that came with the initial announcement of the Classic Leica Trinovids (with the eye cups down) the eye lens sits notably higher than in the original Leitz Trinovids. See pics. So these new Trinovids must be of somewhat different construction than their forerunners. With some consequences of course.

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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 15:18   #33
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Two links to the German forum:

https://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/...449#msg-445449
https://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/...453#msg-445453

I think I'm done with Leica for good.

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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 15:52   #34
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Two links to the German forum:

https://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/...449#msg-445449
https://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/...453#msg-445453

I think I'm done with Leica for good.

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I expected something much better. A sales gimmick which will no doubt be expensive.
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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 16:12   #35
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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 16:30   #36
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Ugh!
For once, Henry, we are in complete agreement!


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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 16:33   #37
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Seems like they wanted to do it the right way first with the uppendahl prism design, but something changed to make it too problematic for whatever reason ... that sucks.
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Not only that.

I would have bought a 6x24 new Trinovid with 212m field whatever the optical system.

Possibly also a 10x40 with the 7.0 degree eyepieces or, if it suited my eyes, a 10x40 with 8.0 degree eyepieces, as I think some old ones were.

Generally, binoculars nowadays are unimpressive.

I would also be interested in a 16x56 Hensoldt binocular with modern coatings.
The c.1955 one is amazing for light weight, large field, handling and incredible quality.
I think it would be 4,000 if made today. I doubt that there are actually good enough technicians to make one today.

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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 23:00   #39
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Well that seems a colossal misstep!

I’ve attached a Google Translation of the 2nd link provided by Hermann in post #33 (the information is from Holger Merlitz on the optical site Juelich)

So we know so far, that there are:
- Schmidt-Pechan prisms, and
- seemingly new eyepieces (see Renze’s observations in post #32)

And it’s possible there may also be other optical changes
The point of using S-P prisms may have been to free up sufficient space inboard of the prisms, to allow conventional internal focusing by moving a lens in the objective unit
(vs the original internal focusing by moving eyepiece elements)


The obvious questions are:
- What’s the point of recreating a beloved classic, if it only has the form but not the content of the original? (i.e. the use of current pattern optics of unremarkable specification, in a retro shell), and
- How does this maximise the market potential of what is necessarily a niche item? (are those with sufficient interest willing to buy an ersatz copy of the original?)

It’s not as if Leica lacks experience in offering what can be described as legacy items
e.g. it currently offers the MP and M-A rangefinder 35 mm film cameras, with all the original mechanicals
- How would these sell if they had generic mechanical components? (such as those used in the recently discontinued Voigtlander branded cameras)
- How would that contribute to the Leica brand?

Is this going to end well for Leica? Hmmm


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OK, the cynical side of me now wonders how much of the delay between the first announcement of the updated original Trinovid and this bit of news, is it just the time it took to tweak a the original Trinovid body to simply fit the glass/system of the Trinovid HD instead of the updated uppendahl system? So for an additional $250 do we simply get a Trinovid HD in the old style body?
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Very awkward. How can one read a thread on this forum without having to click each individual post?

So these models have become a bad joke, S-P prisms masquerading as classic Trinovids. Disgusting.
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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 23:54   #42
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Here's my take. Leica doesn't really care, so far as in a way of appeasing we binocular nerds and so on.
So what do they really care about? Bottom line I guess? I'm imagining that for them creating an old style appearance Trinovid is all that matters, not that it's guts are true to form etc. They're probably relying on people being drawn to the retro form and not too worried about those lost sales from the likes of those contributing on this forum.
None of this surprises me, if not at least disappoints me. Reminds me, if not an entirely similar situation, to Nikon dropping the EDG or worthy replacement but that's another story.

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The target market for these is not going to be particularly concerned over which prisms are used.

They are people who want modern optics in a classic shape, just like somebody on here a couple of years ago; they were looking for Leitz style binoculars that looked like they fitted their "retro" lifestyle and didn't care what it cost them. We live in an image conscious world.

Leica will have done their homework and worked out their market. It's the same with the new Land Rover Defender: people will buy it for its name, looks and heritage. They do not want the old unreliable one that leaked a lot, they want a modern car. They won't use it for what it can do, only for what it looks like it can do. Image and status is all that matters.

The retro Trinovids will sell well, whatever the insides are like and whatever the fans on here think. I have seen exactly the same reactions on the Land Rover forums.

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In the end what matters is what one sees and how they feel; if they have a better view than Trinovid HD, then mission accomplished.

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In the end what matters is what one sees and how they feel; if they have a better view than Trinovid HD, then mission accomplished.

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Will they have a better view than the Trinovid HD? Probably not, and not waterproof either.
Somehow I think their mission so to speak is something entirely different.
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Here's my take. Leica doesn't really care, so far as in a way of appeasing we binocular nerds and so on.
So what do they really care about? Bottom line I guess? I'm imagining that for them creating an old style appearance Trinovid is all that matters, not that it's guts are true to form etc. They're probably relying on people being drawn to the retro form and not too worried about those lost sales from the likes of those contributing on this forum.
None of this surprises me, if not at least disappoints me. Reminds me, if not an entirely similar situation, to Nikon dropping the EDG or worthy replacement but that's another story.

To be fair the EDG was introduced in the USA in 2008 with an open frame body and in 2010 it was changed into its current single hinge construction and introduced into Europe. The optics in it are almost 12 years old now.

On November 13, 2019 Nikon introduced Binocular Telescopes: 20x120IV/25x120.

https://www.nikon.com/news/2019/1113..._25x120_01.htm

IMO Nikon is overdue for the release of a worthy replacement for the EDGs!

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To be fair the EDG was introduced in the USA in 2008 with an open frame body and in 2010 it was changed into its current single hinge construction and introduced into Europe. The optics in it are almost 12 years old now.

On November 13, 2019 Nikon introduced Binocular Telescopes: 20x120IV/25x120.

https://www.nikon.com/news/2019/1113..._25x120_01.htm

IMO Nikon is overdue for the release of a worthy replacement for the EDGs!

Bob
Not to unhinge the Leica topic but regarding the EDG while it may be 12 years old its optics are still competitive (still my favourite). I agree that it may be due for a revamp or upgrade (if possible) but it looks as though this won't happen, certainly not any time soon, and that Nikon has changed tact with a mid tier quality/price product filling the top spot.
So how does this scenario share anything with the retro Trinovid situation? My thoughts are that in both instances these companies are driven by the bottom line and not to provide the best or most exciting product. After all sales figures and profits rule. That said it's likely Nikon will do better out of the MHG than they did with the EDG and Leica will do better out of the retro Trinovid in building it the way they are rather than how we'd like for reasons summed up well by Paskman.
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During the first go round of the "new, old Trinovids" I was pretty jazzed and would have been in line to buy a pair.

Now, I have a wide field lightweight binocular that fills the niche the 1st version Trin would have, in the 8x42 Monarch HG. And now this?
And the Leica still isn't waterproof.

Other than nostalgia and style, heavy on style, I don't see the point.
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To be fair the EDG was introduced in the USA in 2008 with an open frame body and in 2010 it was changed into its current single hinge construction and introduced into Europe. The optics in it are almost 12 years old now.

On November 13, 2019 Nikon introduced Binocular Telescopes: 20x120IV/25x120.

https://www.nikon.com/news/2019/1113..._25x120_01.htm

IMO Nikon is overdue for the release of a worthy replacement for the EDGs!

Bob
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Jerry reckons it should have been 10 years after the originals !




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