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24 May moth ID queries (sic) (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Surreybirder
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harry eales
Ancient Entomologist
Hi Ken,
1. Iron Prominent.
2. Pale Tussock male.
3. Brimstone. I think.
4. Over exposed, but looks like one of the China Marks.
5. A Swift, possibly Common or Map-winged but some wing markings apparently abscent.
It would help if you could reduce the glare made by the flash in your photo editing programme before putting them up.
Harry Eales.
1. Iron Prominent.
2. Pale Tussock male.
3. Brimstone. I think.
4. Over exposed, but looks like one of the China Marks.
5. A Swift, possibly Common or Map-winged but some wing markings apparently abscent.
It would help if you could reduce the glare made by the flash in your photo editing programme before putting them up.
Harry Eales.
1.Iron Prominent
2.Don't know
3.Possibly Scoparia ambigualis. Many confusion species, but this is often first one to appear and I've seen it on other people's lists.
4.Very likely to be Green Carpet. The green fades quickly leaving just the black marks.
5.Not familiar with last one. I assume this is one you think is Plumed Prominent. It looks probable. to me
Now that I've seen Harry's answer (swop 3 & 4 I think Harry)
Last one does look like "a" Swift. They're quite variable, but I've only ever seen Map-wing.
2.Don't know
3.Possibly Scoparia ambigualis. Many confusion species, but this is often first one to appear and I've seen it on other people's lists.
4.Very likely to be Green Carpet. The green fades quickly leaving just the black marks.
5.Not familiar with last one. I assume this is one you think is Plumed Prominent. It looks probable. to me
Now that I've seen Harry's answer (swop 3 & 4 I think Harry)
Last one does look like "a" Swift. They're quite variable, but I've only ever seen Map-wing.
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harry eales
Ancient Entomologist
CJW said:
Hi Chris,
White-pinion Spotted never entered my mind, probably because I have never seen one alive. I thought of mentioning Gold Swift but it's easily a month early, however some people get warmer weather than me.
Harry
Surreybirder
Ken Noble
Wow, guys, why did I both buying any ID books. Thanks a million!
I got so many moths last night (25th) I haven't even had time to photo them all yet! But at least 4 are new to me. and there's an almost monotone lime hawkmoth, presumably very faded. I'll try and find time to post some of them after work.
I got so many moths last night (25th) I haven't even had time to photo them all yet! But at least 4 are new to me. and there's an almost monotone lime hawkmoth, presumably very faded. I'll try and find time to post some of them after work.
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
A few more Id confirmations please:
1. Is this a poorly marked Rustic Shoulder-knot (had three other typical ones this morning)
2. Clouded-bordered Brindle?
3. The Spectacle or Dark Spectacle?
4. Same moth as 3
5. The Lychnis
A good little selection this morning including first Elephant and Eyed Hawk-moths of the year. I also have a Rustic/Uncertain/Vine's type that I almost discarded as late Common Quaker. It is in the fridge awaiting inspection later.
Thanks.
1. Is this a poorly marked Rustic Shoulder-knot (had three other typical ones this morning)
2. Clouded-bordered Brindle?
3. The Spectacle or Dark Spectacle?
4. Same moth as 3
5. The Lychnis
A good little selection this morning including first Elephant and Eyed Hawk-moths of the year. I also have a Rustic/Uncertain/Vine's type that I almost discarded as late Common Quaker. It is in the fridge awaiting inspection later.
Thanks.
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brianhstone said:
Don't think I'm going to help you hugely this time but,
1. I think so
2. possibly, as I've never seen this form
3/4. Spectacle
5. I'll leave this to someone with experience of this species.
Rustic/Uncertain/Vine's............lets bring on the debate!!
The Drinker
...I do it with the light on.
CJW said:
With you on all bar Gold Swift CJW. I think it fits better with map winged both for flight time and in that map winged have great variation including an almost uniform brown appearance like that pictured. It looks small if that is a standard egg box background, but then again I have found map winged can vary enormously in that respect.
White pinion spotted - possibly inspirational to the level of red Erik!! (still have to see more of the moth for certainty though) B
harry eales
Ancient Entomologist
Hello Brian,
1. Probably Rustic Shoulder-knot but very similar to a pale version of Common Rustic or even a pale Large Nutmeg.
2. Probably Cloud Bordered Brindle, they can be very variable.
3&4. Spectacle.
5. Lychnis.
Harry
1. Probably Rustic Shoulder-knot but very similar to a pale version of Common Rustic or even a pale Large Nutmeg.
2. Probably Cloud Bordered Brindle, they can be very variable.
3&4. Spectacle.
5. Lychnis.
Harry
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
harry eales said:
The reniform stigmata look the wrong shape for Common Rustic, which should look more ear or kidney-shaped from what I can see. And the orbicular stigmata look larger than Large Nutmeg and again more like Rustic SK. In which case I will stick it down as another Rustic SK.
Cheers
The Drinker
...I do it with the light on.
1. Have you considered Nutmeg?
2. Agree with CBB looking at 2nd picture
3. Spectacle
4. If indeed this is the very same as 3 it must be spectacle, however, the darker colour in this shot could be persuasive of Dark Spectacle
5. Lychnis
2. Agree with CBB looking at 2nd picture
3. Spectacle
4. If indeed this is the very same as 3 it must be spectacle, however, the darker colour in this shot could be persuasive of Dark Spectacle
5. Lychnis
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Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
CJW
Hit-and-run WUM
The Drinker said:
Nope you're wrong.
Mapwing always shows an obvious white spot in one half of where the reniform stignata should be. This spot is always more obvious on the plain forms. The photo does not show such a feature.
The plain forms of Orange Swift and Common Swift are very 'wishy-washy' affairs whereas the plain form of Gold Swift invariably retains some markings and colouration.
It's a Gold Swift and don't give me any of that flight period rubbish!
Rant over.
The Drinker
...I do it with the light on.
CJW said:
Okay, I'll possibly concede the map winged angle (for now), but I'm sure not having positive identification on Gold based on the picture. No disrespect to the photographer, but it appears slightly over exposed and the moth may well be duller than appearance on screen in real life. Given the variance possible within the swift family (AND THE FLIGHT TIME CONSIDERATION AS A GUIDE) I think it needs more examining and ultimately genitalia, as ever, would be as good as a DNA sample in a paternity case!!! :gn:
Surreybirder
Ken Noble
CJW said:
Just to keep everyone on their toes :bounce:
My county recorder had the micro as Scoparia pyralella and the swift as common swift. Apparently gold swift is extremely local in Surrey, and comes out much later... it's not easy this moth ID lark!!
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
harry eales said:
I am now thinking this is a Large Nutmeg. I have now had quite a few Rustic SK and none like this (especially with the dark thorax stripe in the wrong place). Caught two presumed Large Numegs this morning (see http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=17369) and although a bit better marked than this I reckon this is the same.
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