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BOU TSC disbanded (2 Viewers)

My gut says says the birdlife checklist is going to perhaps be the new taxonomy endorsed... Even though I would prefer ioc or Clements
 
l_raty said:
Incidentally, this "News" item makes some odd statements about the AERC
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Yes, sorry about that. The News item was posted online without TSC being consulted on the text and without any warning that it was going to be posted. We would of course have picked up any misrepresentations in the text.
 
Docmartin said:
Yes, sorry about that. The News item was posted online without TSC being consulted on the text and without any warning that it was going to be posted. We would of course have picked up any misrepresentations in the text.
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Martin,
Any chance of the TSC being reconstituted as 'Not the TSC'? Perhaps the birding community might support a crowdfunding initiative?
MJB
 
Richard Klim said:
PS. H&M4 would add 5 spp and remove 8 spp.
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BOURC vs H&M4:
  • Green-winged Teal Anas (crecca) carolinensis - B
  • White-winged Scoter Melanitta (fusca) deglandi - B
  • Balearic Shearwater Puffinus (yelkouan) mauretanicus - B
  • Macaronesian Shearwater Puffinus (lherminieri) baroli - B
  • Hudsonian Whimbrel Numenius (phaeopus) hudsonicus - B
  • Least Tern Sternula (albifrons) antillarum - H
  • Cabot's Tern Thalasseus (sandvicensis) acuflavidus - B
  • Thayer's Gull Larus (glaucoides) thayeri - H
  • Turkestan Shrike Lanius (isabellinus) phoenicuroides - H
  • Southern Grey Shrike Lanius (excubitor) meridionalis - B
  • Hooded Crow Corvus (corone) cornix - B
  • Two-barred Leaf Warbler Seicercus (trochiloides) plumbeitarsus - H
  • Western Subalpine Warbler Curruca (cantillans) inornata - H
  • Lesser Redpoll Acanthis (flammea) cabaret - B
(Adopting H&M4 taxonomy would add 5 spp and remove 7 (not 8) spp from the British List.)
 
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BOURC vs BirdLife:
  • Green-winged Teal Anas (crecca) carolinensis - B
  • Desertas Petrel Pterodroma (feae) deserta - L
  • Macaronesian Shearwater Puffinus (lherminieri) baroli - B
  • Green Heron Butorides (striata) virescens - B
  • Northern Harrier Circus (cyaneus) hudsonius - L
  • Hudsonian Whimbrel Numenius (phaeopus) hudsonicus - B
  • Least Tern Sternula (albifrons) antillarum - L
  • Cabot's Tern Thalasseus (sandvicensis) acuflavidus - B
  • Thayer's Gull Larus (glaucoides) thayeri - L
  • Southern Grey Shrike Lanius (excubitor) meridionalis - B
  • Hooded Crow Corvus (corone) cornix - B
  • Green Warbler Phylloscopus (trochiloides) nitidus - B
  • Eastern Bonelli's Warbler Phylloscopus (bonelli) orientalis - B
  • Moltoni's Subalpine Warbler Sylvia (cantillans) subalpina - B
  • Dusky Thrush Turdus (naumanni) eunomus - B
  • Black-throated Thrush Turdus (ruficollis) atrogularis - B
  • Siberian Stonechat Saxicola (torquatus) maurus - B
  • European Stonechat Saxicola (torquatus) rubicola - B
  • Lesser Redpoll Acanthis (flammea) cabaret - B
  • Arctic Redpoll Acanthis (flammea) hornemanni - B
(Adopting BirdLife taxonomy would add 3 spp and remove 14 spp from the British List.)

But of course BirdLife's passerine taxonomy is due to be extensively revised (by application of the Tobias criteria) in 2016…
 
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Have I got this right for BOURC vs IOC, separating out the clements stuff?
Richard Klim said:
Fwiw, here's a summary of species-level taxonomic differences between BOURC, IOC and eBird/Clements that directly affect species on the British List:
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  • Tundra Bean Goose Anser (fabalis) serrirostris + I
  • Desertas Petrel Pterodroma (feae) deserta + I
  • Northern Harrier Circus (cyaneus) hudsonius + I
  • Hudsonian Whimbrel Numenius (phaeopus) hudsonicus - B
  • Least Tern Sternula (albifrons) antillarum + I
  • Thayer's Gull Larus (glaucoides) thayeri + I
  • Red-tailed Shrike Lanius (isabellinus) phoenicuroides + I
  • Steppe Grey Shrike Lanius (meridionalis) pallidirostris + I
  • Two-barred Warbler Phylloscopus (trochiloides) plumbeitarsus + I
  • White's Thrush Zoothera (dauma) aurea + I
  • Stejneger's Stonechat Saxicola (maurus) stejnegeri + I
  • Eastern Yellow Wagtail Motacilla (flava) tschutschensis + I
  • Lesser Redpoll Acanthis (flammea) cabaret - B
  • American Yellow Warbler Setophaga (petechia) aestiva + I
Though in some cases all it involves is change in name, rather than change in number on list (Zoothera dauma to Z. aurea; Setophaga petechia to S. aestiva), as the nominates split from aren't on the British list.
 
Nutcracker said:
Yep, saw that, it's just it's tricky to sort out as it's compared with 2 lists together there, not just one at a time ;)
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Just for you... :t:

BOURC vs IOC:
  • Tundra Bean Goose Anser (fabalis) serrirostris - I
  • Desertas Petrel Pterodroma (feae) deserta - I
  • Northern Harrier Circus (cyaneus) hudsonius - I
  • Hudsonian Whimbrel Numenius (phaeopus) hudsonicus - B
  • Least Tern Sternula (albifrons) antillarum - I
  • Thayer's Gull Larus (glaucoides) thayeri - I
  • Red-tailed Shrike Lanius (isabellinus) phoenicuroides - I
  • Steppe Grey Shrike Lanius (meridionalis) pallidirostris - I
  • Two-barred Warbler Phylloscopus (trochiloides) plumbeitarsus - I
  • White's Thrush Zoothera (dauma) aurea - I
  • Stejneger's Stonechat Saxicola (maurus) stejnegeri - I
  • Eastern Yellow Wagtail Motacilla (flava) tschutschensis - I
  • Lesser Redpoll Acanthis (flammea) cabaret - B
  • American Yellow Warbler Setophaga (petechia) aestiva - I
(Adopting IOC taxonomy would add 8 spp and remove 3 spp.)


BOURC vs eBird/Clements:
  • Tundra Bean-Goose Anser (fabalis) serrirostris - C
  • Green-winged Teal Anas (crecca) carolinensis - B
  • White-winged Scoter Melanitta (fusca) deglandi - B
  • Cory's Shearwater Calonectris (diomedea) borealis - B
  • Hudsonian Whimbrel Numenius (phaeopus) hudsonicus - B
  • Least Tern Sternula (albifrons) antillarum - C
  • Cabot's Tern Thalasseus (sandvicensis) acuflavidus - B
  • American Herring Gull Larus (argentatus) smithsonianus - B
  • Thayer's Gull Larus (glaucoides) thayeri - C
  • Red-tailed Shrike Lanius (isabellinus) phoenicuroides - C
  • Two-barred Warbler Phylloscopus (trochiloides) plumbeitarsus - C
  • White's Thrush Zoothera (dauma) aurea - C
  • Eastern Yellow Wagtail Motacilla (flava) tschutschensis - C
(Adopting eBird/Clements taxonomy would add 6 spp and remove 6 spp.)
 
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Richard Klim said:
Just for you... :t:

BOURC vs IOC:
  • Tundra Bean Goose Anser (fabalis) serrirostris - I
  • Desertas Petrel Pterodroma (feae) deserta - I
  • Northern Harrier Circus (cyaneus) hudsonius - I
  • Hudsonian Whimbrel Numenius (phaeopus) hudsonicus - B
  • Least Tern Sternula (albifrons) antillarum - I
  • Thayer's Gull Larus (glaucoides) thayeri - I
  • Red-tailed Shrike Lanius (isabellinus) phoenicuroides - I
  • Steppe Grey Shrike Lanius (meridionalis) pallidirostris - I
  • Two-barred Warbler Phylloscopus (trochiloides) plumbeitarsus - I
  • White's Thrush Zoothera (dauma) aurea - I
  • Stejneger's Stonechat Saxicola (maurus) stejnegeri - I
  • Eastern Yellow Wagtail Motacilla (flava) tschutschensis - I
  • Lesser Redpoll Acanthis (flammea) cabaret - B
  • American Yellow Warbler Setophaga (petechia) aestiva - I
(Adopting IOC taxonomy would add 8 spp and remove 3 spp.)
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Thanks! Though what's the third removed? I only see two (bolded above)??
 
Nutcracker said:
Though in some cases all it involves is change in name, rather than change in number on list (Zoothera dauma to Z. aurea; Setophaga petechia to S. aestiva), as the nominates split from aren't on the British list.
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...also Lanius meridionalis to L pallidirostris.
 
It's also worth emphasising that these very simplistic comparisons take absolutely no account of numerous differences between taxonomies in the geographical scope of individual species on the British List (as a consequence of extralimital splits)...

[Given that most widely-distributed Holarctic species were originally described from Europe, the forms on the British List are usually the parent species (with scientific names unaffected by extralimital splits).]

Overall score (species-level taxonomic conflicts that add or remove species on the British List):
  • IOC v5.4: 11
  • eBird/Clements v2015: 12
  • H&M 4ed: 12
  • BirdLife v8: 17
 
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This thread is very interesting but confusing without a scorecard. I thought the sub-committee was only in existence for a short while. I found out that the British List Sub-Committee responsible for the Check-List was dissolved in December 1952, and was replaced a year later by two new B . O . U . Sub-Committees with limited terms of reference. The first was a British Records Sub-Committee to advise on the authenticity of records of species or races proposed for inclusion in the British List, under the chairmanship of Mr. A. W . Boyd. The second was a Taxonomic Sub-Committee, to advise on taxonomic questions.. (Ibis 1956) In 1999 members went up from 3 to 6 and 2002 started publishing reports. So what, the question becomes is there anything to do? I think suing is a dead end. But!
BOU rules: http://www.bou.org.uk/BOU-Rules-2010.pdf .
10. 2. The notice must specify the date, time and place of the meeting and the general nature of the business to be transacted.
14. Procedures and Voting at General Meetings (1) Only the business for which a meeting has been convened, as detailed on the notice, will be discussed.
If the deletion of the TSC was not on the Notice?
9. General Meetings. 5. The Trustees (trustees are elected council members) must call a special general meeting if asked for by at least 50 members in writing. So a lister and 49 of his/her friends should join the BOU and ask for a meeting on reconstituting the TSC.
If that seems unlikely. I wonder if bird forumers could put themselves in the place of 12 Phd’s who just voted to terminate the TSC and are being made fun of by people who do not have even a masters degree on the internets. What list should the BOU pick? And please show your work, and give reasons why. Armchair ticks is a good reason I think. Here is a list of lists from the IOC website:
http://www.internationalornithology.org/birdlist.html .
 
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