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Old Tuesday 26th August 2008, 15:21   #1
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Japanese Bird ID Help

I just got back from the Mt. Fuji Area (Lake Sai, to be specific, north slopes), and have a few images of birds I can't identify. I always feel like a dolt after I'm told what birds I can't ID are, but I really am stuck on these.

The first was small with the white band across the wing, and I thought it might be an immature Narcissus Flycatcher, but the tail seems too long.

The second I had thought was a Daurian Redstart, but the white spot on the wing seems to be in the wrong place.

The third I just got from behind and can't ID--is it the same as one of the others?

All of these were taken during a light rain in some trees behind the hotel I was staying at; Lake Sai is on the other side of the building.

Any help would be appreciated!
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Old Tuesday 26th August 2008, 15:23   #2
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Mujimaki Flycatcher?
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Old Tuesday 26th August 2008, 15:37   #3
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Mujimaki Flycatcher?
I thought of that, too (Yellow-Rumped Flycatcher), but (1) it's way out of its range (supposed to be in China and Korea, not Japan), and (2) the tail still seems too long.... Could it still be one?
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Old Tuesday 26th August 2008, 15:40   #4
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What about asian brown flycatcher?

It looks like it could be that one but i have no clue about the status of that sp. in Japan.
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Old Wednesday 27th August 2008, 00:44   #5
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No one can positively ID any of them?

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Old Wednesday 27th August 2008, 01:26   #6
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Mugimaki Flycatcher should occur in Japan during migration, but I agree with Mattias that the bird looks good for Asian Brown Flycatcher, which breeds in Japan. I'm not an expert on Asian flycatchers, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Brown_Flycatcher
http://www.pbase.com/johanstenlund/image/66508670

Edit: I noted that all images are not necessarily of the same bird. The first and third bird look good for Asian Brown Flycatcher, can't tell about the second.

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Old Wednesday 27th August 2008, 03:16   #7
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First (and possibly third) look like Asian Brown Flycatcher to me.

The second looks like a female Narcissus Flycatcher, although I'm not sure if that should show white in the wing like this bird
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I'm sorry for the confusion. I meant ABF on pic. 1 and 3 and an unident. flycatcher on nr 2 (wich could be fem. narcissus, but i'm not used to the NF)

On asian brown you can clearly see an eyering, wich this one has. (in swedish the ABFs is called spectecled flycatcher)
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Old Wednesday 27th August 2008, 10:51   #9
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The first and third look fine for an Asian Brown Flycatcher though there are two confusion species which regularly occur in Japan, Grey-streaked and Siberian, also called Dark-sided.

The relatively unmarked underparts rule out Grey-streaked amongst other things and jizz wise they are generally more elongated. The 'big-eye' is a good Brown Flycatcher feature although Siberian also has a large eye it never seems quite as pronounced. The underparts on Siberian are very variable, some very heavily smudged underparts, some almost as pale as your bird though generally the dark area would extend further down the flanks. A good feature is the wing length, the primaries being longer on Siberian. Your bird shows a relatively long tail and primaries reaching perhaps the initial tail base, too short for Siberian.
The second image is a little trickier from the one image posted. The obvious choice would be Narcissus Flycatcher, probably a young male with the extent of yellow (0r is that digital illusion?). I can't however rule out Yellow-rumped Flycatcher, which does occur though how regular I'm unsure. Perhaps the limited extent of white on the coverts is more pro Narcissus

A good link here - http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdim..._Family_ID=216

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