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Old Saturday 18th November 2017, 13:07   #126
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The 8 x 30 version came inside today, got it as a present. My first impressions are very positive. I have tested many binoculars, but this little monster is a winner!

I have compared the companion with my Swarovski SLC 10 x 42 WB (latest version). Optically they are nearly the same. Color and contrast of the companion are excellent. The edge and central sharpness are equal to the SLC: excellent. The companion has less field curvature at the edge than the SLC. But the companion has a bit more chromatic aberration than the SLC. So probably no HD glass (??).

The companion old version has also been in my possession, but is optically inferior. That edition wasn't a "real Swarovski".

For the small annoyances, I agree completely with Kimmo (Kabsetz) in post 105.

More information will follow. But for about 1.050 euro it's a absolutely a top binocular.

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[quote=Kees Boer;3644932]The 8 x 30 version came inside today, got it as a present. My first impressions are very positive. I have tested many binoculars, but this little monster is a winner!

I have compared the companion with my Swarovski SLC 10 x 42 WB (latest version). Optically they are nearly the same. Color and contrast of the companion are excellent. The edge and central sharpness are equal to the SLC: excellent. The companion has less field curvature at the edge than the SLC. But the companion has a bit more chromatic aberration than the SLC. So probably no HD glass (??).

The companion old version has also been in my possession, but is optically inferior. That edition wasn't a "real Swarovski".

For the small annoyances, I agree completely with Kimmo (Kabsetz) in post 105.

More information will follow. But for about 1.050 euro it's a absolutely a top binocular.[/QUOTE

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It will cost about 1250 Bucks here in the USA.

I don't know what you mean by "a real Swarovski."

I think that the CL Companion is an excellent, well designed, easy to use, little binocular! Just what Swarovski designed it to be! I carry it around with me in my day bag as a car binocular for all around use.

I have both an 8x30 CL Companion and CL 8x25 Compact and the CL Companion is much better.

I think that it was even better than the discontinued 8x30 CL B I owned although the CL B had a wider FOV.

I gave that one to my son. It was made in 2010. The CL Companion was much easier for me to use because I found the eye placement easier. One reason I think is because the eye cups are flat and the eye cups on the SLC were rounded off. Flat eye cups make it easier for me to brace it up against my eye brows when I use it. Little things do make a difference on an individual basis.

I don't wear glasses. My son does and he uses the 8x30 CL B while wearing glasses and that decreases its FOV.

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Bob, thanks for your reply. I have had the companion 8 x 30 old version and now the new 8 x 30 version. The new version has better edge sharpness, less field curvature and a wider field of view. The old version was good. The new version is excellent. And a real Swarovski?? My opinion is the old companion nearly. The new version definitely.
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I got the new 8x30 CL a few days ago and have been able to do a few comparisons with various other bins as well as having a good field outing today. My interest in the binoculars is really as a back up to my main pair (Canon 10x42 IS), particularly on foreign trips where I don't want a back up pair that takes up much luggage space. The prospect of excellent optics in such a small pair was very attractive.

My impressions so far are as favourable as everyone else's and I agree with all the positive comments so far. Optically the view is just really good. Quite bright for 30mm. In a word the view is punchy, with really great colours, very saturated and lustrous. The view also seems sharp more-or-less to the edge and with very good contrast. I was sometimes looking towards a low, bright sun today and they seemed to handle this as well as any other binoculars I've used. Smaller binoculars can sometimes seem to offer a view that's mainly practical i.e. magnifying and letting you ID something but not really making you feel like you want to revel in the experience. The view through these binoculars is genuinely enjoyable: these are nice binoculars to look at birds with.

I'm using them with glasses and they seem to work fine for me. I'm okay with the eye-cups dialled right down. It would be good if there were click stops on the eye-cups but even if they're dialled up a bit they seem to stay put quite well. The focus is a bit on the stiff side but not too problematic. It was perhaps a little bit slower than I'd like when I used gloves, which didn't grip so cleanly. I was still able to follow Chiffchaffs and Goldcrests in close foliage very well though. I agree that the strap is a bit too easy to get twisted, which is a slight annoyance. These are generally easy binoculars to handle though, and of course very light weight.

I've compared them to a few other binoculars. I'm not equipped to make anything other than fairly subjective comments, but they might be helpful for getting an idea of the sort of view you can expect. I've never used the original Companion, nor have I really used any recent top end 8x32s, which would probably be the most interesting comparison with these.

Nikon HG 8x32: I have an old pair of these (which recently seemed to retail for similar prices to the CL). They are of the original version rather than the later 'L' one. The view through these is not as bright as the CL and with a distinct warmish tone. The colour rendition in the CLs seems very natural in comparison. Overall the view through the CLs seems a level up from these.

Zeiss 8x42 FL: Although they're obviously bigger, this is maybe the most important comparison for me as this is my usual 'back up' binocular for foreign trips so it's the real competition for the CL from my perspective. The view through the FL is obviously a bit brighter and wider, but the edges aren't as sharp. I also think the colours are slightly less vivid and at times it even seems a bit less sharp in the centre. The view with the FL is, in some ways, easier and more spacious. It's a definite 'walk in view', which isn't quite so much the case with the CL. That's perhaps the main way in which the FL is a better option, but in other respects the CL does very well and is just as enjoyable but in a different way. Given the size difference, I think the CL might be the better option as a back up and certainly when I'm travelling light. I like the idea of a pair of excellent binoculars that's basically pocketable too, which the FLs aren't.

Nikon 7x42 EDG: Despite the different magnification, the view through the CL seems most similar to these bins. The colour rendition and edge sharpness are both quite comparable. The EDG is a little bit brighter but the view is quite close to the CL in most respects.

The headline seems to be that these bins offer high end optics in binoculars under 500g and also costing under a 1000. If you're looking for a lightweight pair they should definitely be considered. I think I might be using them quite a bit.
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How did the CL's compare to your Canon 10x42 IS-L's? Does the FOV feel wide?
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How did the CL's compare to your Canon 10x42 IS-L's? Does the FOV feel wide?
They're somewhat different, which is maybe not suprising given the different sizes and magnificants. I suppose that's also why I see them as quite complementary to each other. The FOV feels fairly wide but not exceptional in the CL, which is perhaps similar to the Canons. They also both have good edge sharpness. The colours are better in the CLs (amongst the best I've seen in a binocular) but the acuity of the Canons with IS activated is a fairly long way ahead of anything really.
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They're somewhat different, which is maybe not suprising given the different sizes and magnificants. I suppose that's also why I see them as quite complementary to each other. The FOV feels fairly wide but not exceptional in the CL, which is perhaps similar to the Canons. They also both have good edge sharpness. The colours are better in the CLs (amongst the best I've seen in a binocular) but the acuity of the Canons with IS activated is a fairly long way ahead of anything really.
Thanks, Andrew. I think the Canon's FOV for a 10x is pretty exceptional with an AFOV of 65 degrees. I know what you mean about the acuity in the Canon 10x42 being ahead of anything. I preferred it over an SV 10x50 for resolution. I understand your wanting something a little more compact for traveling. Nice review.
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I ordered a pair of the new Swarovski 8x30 CL's 2017 in anthracite with the wild nature case and strap from a German seller on Ebay for 1000 Euro's. I always liked the older 8x30 CL's but I always felt the FOV was a little small. These should be better. I got the anthracite for a change from the Swarovski green and I prefer the more padded wild nature case and strap because they offer more padding and protection and they were no extra costs. I will let you know what I think when I get them. Hopefully the focus will be smooth.
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I ordered a pair of the new Swarovski 8x30 CL's 2017 in anthracite with the wild nature case and strap from a German seller on Ebay for 1000 Euro's. I always liked the older 8x30 CL's but I always felt the FOV was a little small. These should be better. I got the anthracite for a change from the Swarovski green and I prefer the more padded wild nature case and strap because they offer more padding and protection. I will let you know what I think when I get them. Hopefully the focus will be smooth.
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Congrets, but....... are you getting soft on your age
The regular ex VAT Europe - US price is 895,00 euro's, shipping paid.

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The regular ex VAT Europe - US price is 895,00 euro's, shipping paid.

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I have the same thoughts as Andrew. I have the Canon 10x42 IS-L for my main binocular but I was looking for something smaller for hiking and travel. It is pretty cool how you have a choice of color on the binocular and a choice on the case and strap package. That is clever marketing. The Swarovski 8x30 CL should fill the bill. To get one early you have to pay a little more. I would imagine there will start being sales on the older model pretty soon

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I ordered a pair of the new Swarovski 8x30 CL's 2017 in anthracite with the wild nature case and strap from a German seller on Ebay for 1000 Euro's. I always liked the older 8x30 CL's but I always felt the FOV was a little small. These should be better. I got the anthracite for a change from the Swarovski green and I prefer the more padded wild nature case and strap because they offer more padding and protection and they were no extra costs. I will let you know what I think when I get them. Hopefully the focus will be smooth.
Good to see you back on the buying train with the Nikon EII, the Bushnell M and now a bigger step yet, the new CL. You must have figured out a way to hide it from your wife! Hopefully the new CL will work out for you. To bad (at least in my assessment) that the old CL never reached its potential. It appears Swaro paid attention and addressed the issues. I am looking forward to your review.

I know in the past that you have been very enthusiastic about the excellent Swaro of NA warranty and customer service. Why did you decide to get a non Swaro NA unit and most likely forgo a US warranty rather than wait about another six weeks?

As I recall, you bought either a Leupold Mojave BK3 or the Cabela's Guide version in a 8x32 earlier this year but no longer have it. It was a nice travelling size. What was the reason for sending it down the road?

Also, what was the reason for ultimately switching from the 8X42 Toric? It is a relatively compact 42mm model with very good optics and a larger exit pupil that you like. Time for a change?

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I ordered a pair of the new Swarovski 8x30 CL's 2017 in anthracite with the wild nature case and strap from a German seller on Ebay for 1000 Euro's. <snip> I will let you know what I think when I get them. Hopefully the focus will be smooth.
I'm looking forward to that. If the new CL is really as good as it sounds, I may get one as well, as a small, light pair for hiking. I'm interested not just in the optical quality but also in the mechanical quality. In other words: Is the CL tough enough to survive birding in difficult conditions?

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I have the same thoughts as Andrew. I have the Canon 10x42 IS-L for my main binocular but I was looking for something smaller for hiking and travel. It is pretty cool how you have a choice of color on the binocular and a choice on the case and strap package. That is clever marketing. The Swarovski 8x30 CL should fill the bill. To get one early you have to pay a little more. I would imagine there will start being sales on the older model pretty soon

https://travmedia.com/showPRPreview/100044160


Not surprisingly Travmedia got the 132 Meter FOV wrong when converting it to feet. They forgot to change meters to yards. It is not a 433 feet FOV; it is 396 feet or 7.6 which is less than the 7.8 408 feet that the original SLC New 8x30 WB had; but it is wider than the FOV on the current 8x30 CL Companion which is 7.1 or 372'@1000yds.

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I'm looking forward to that. If the new CL is really as good as it sounds, I may get one as well, as a small, light pair for hiking. I'm interested not just in the optical quality but also in the mechanical quality. In other words: Is the CL tough enough to survive birding in difficult conditions?

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Allbinos just listed the new CL Companions with the 40 or so other Swarovski Binoculars. The older CL Companions are also listed. There is no indication yet that they will be reviewing the new versions.

It is possible because they have reviewed and ranked other serious and not so serious 8x30 binoculars.

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Good to see you back on the buying train with the Nikon EII, the Bushnell M and now a bigger step yet, the new CL. You must have figured out a way to hide it from your wife! Hopefully the new CL will work out for you. To bad (at least in my assessment) that the old CL never reached its potential. It appears Swaro paid attention and addressed the issues. I am looking forward to your review.

I know in the past that you have been very enthusiastic about the excellent Swaro of NA warranty and customer service. Why did you decide to get a non Swaro NA unit and most likely forgo a US warranty rather than wait about another six weeks?

As I recall, you bought either a Leupold Mojave BK3 or the Cabela's Guide version in a 8x32 earlier this year but no longer have it. It was a nice travelling size. What was the reason for sending it down the road?

Also, what was the reason for ultimately switching from the 8X42 Toric? It is a relatively compact 42mm model with very good optics and a larger exit pupil that you like. Time for a change?

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In my experience if you buy a Swarovski from a dealer not in the USA Swarovski will still honor their warranty. They did on my Habicht 8x30W and it was purchased in Spain so no worry there. They are a great company especially when it comes to customer service and warranties. The Leupold Mojave BK3, Nikon MHG 8x42, Euro HD 8x32 and the Bushnell M 8x42 were sold and returned because although they were good for the money they didn't compare optically to my Nikon 8x30 EII. I compare everything to my Nikon 8x30 EII. The Tract Toric was excellent but the narrow FOV for me was a little restrictive for birding although it would be fine for hunting and I decided I wanted something a little smaller and more compact with a little bigger FOV and sharper edges. I think the new Swarovski CL 8x30 with a 396 foot FOV and sharper edges will suit my birding needs a little better. You have to really go up the food chain in a roof to get one that compares with a porro like Nikon 8x30 EII although the better roofs start having better contrast than the EII which I really like. The Euro HD had great contrast and an excellent view but it developed multiple problems with grease coming out of the focuser and the IPD tension loosening up to the point of not being usable. The Bushnell M 8x42 had quite a bit of distortion and I did get quite a few blackouts with them. They are also BIG and long like a Zen Ray which I don't care for unless they have Canon 10x42 IS-L optics. I have the Canon 10x42 IS-L which optically and resolution wise I feel is the best 10x you can buy and the Nikon 8x30 EII. I will try the new Swarovski 8x30 CL's a try.
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Hmm.................looks like the Alpha may have a better prognosis than was predicted in earlier threads.

Look forward to your thoughts Dennis, I`m rather excited about the new CL myself, I really don`t like anything smaller than 30mm.
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Hmm.................looks like the Alpha may have a better prognosis than was predicted in earlier threads.

Look forward to your thoughts Dennis, I`m rather excited about the new CL myself, I really don`t like anything smaller than 30mm.
I don't know if the new CL 8x30 is really an alpha even though it is a Swarovski. I agree 30mm is about as small as I like to go considering low light performance and EP comfort although the older CL was really bright for a 30mm but it had 1% higher transmission. We will see how this one performs. I think this well be a good seller for Swarovski because the older model was and this one looks much improved. I think the fact that you can choose your color and case and strap combination will aid in selling them because people can't complain about the case and strap so much because they can pick and choose plus the $1000.00 price tag is attractive for a Swarovski and they are small and compact. A compact 30mm that would perform well enough for birding is a dream for a birder and if anybody can do it probably Swarovski can.

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In my experience if you buy a Swarovski from a dealer not in the USA Swarovski will still honor their warranty. They did on my Habicht 8x30W and it was purchased in Spain so no worry there. They are a great company especially when it comes to customer service and warranties.
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Are you sure about that? I know I read some posts indicating that a Swarovski binocular had to be a North America import in order to have warranty work covered by Swaro of N. America (SNOA). Here is what one member said in response to a dealer comment saying the warranty is active in the country where purchased .......

"I think your right on the warranty Proud Papa. The Swarovski binoculars have to bought in North America for the warranty to be good but how often do you have trouble with Swarovski's?"


http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...71&postcount=7

Maybe SNOA worked on you Habicht because it is not a model they normally stock. It can be sent back to Austria but that can be expensive.


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The Leupold Mojave BK3, Nikon MHG 8x42, Euro HD 8x32 and the Bushnell M 8x42 were sold and returned because although they were good for the money they didn't compare optically to my Nikon 8x30 EII. I compare everything to my Nikon 8x30 EII.
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Sounds like you are returning to your previous affinity for the "apha" view. As you once said, "Once you have Alpha you can never Backa?".

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....ighlight=backa

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The Tract Toric was excellent but the narrow FOV for me was a little restrictive for birding although it would be fine for hunting and I decided I wanted something a little smaller and more compact with a little bigger FOV and sharper edges. I think the new Swarovski CL 8x30 with a 396 foot FOV and sharper edges will suit my birding needs a little better.
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I am not sure if the new CL will provide the sharper edges and the bigger FOV that you want in comparison to your experiences with the 8X42 Toric.

I have the Toric in the 10X42 and the large center view along with the mild drop off is one of the outstanding qualities about it. From what I have read, the 8X42 has the same qualities. Here is what you had to say about that .....

"The Toric is as good as any binocular I have ever looked through on-axis and it has a big sweet spot with a very gradual fall off at the edge. The edges are actually pretty sharp and you don't notice the difference in sharpness between the SV in normal viewing unless you look at the edges on purpose."

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...&postcount=119

It would most likely take a flat field binocular to beat the Toric in this regard. Since the new CL is a classic design like the Toric, it will have to be exceptional to have better edges than what you were used to in the Torric.

FOV: Keep in mind that even though Tract spec'd the 8X42 Toric with a FOV of 377 ft, Steve C. measured it at approximately 404 ft which is greater than the 396 ft FOV spec for the new CL.

It does not look like the new CL will have a bigger FOV or center than your baseline Toric but it should meet your desire for lighter and smaller and that may be enough to work for you.


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You have to really go up the food chain in a roof to get one that compares with a porro like Nikon 8x30 EII ........I will try the new Swarovski 8x30 CL's a try.
It will be interesting to read if the new CL goes far enough up the food chain for your requirements. How long does it take to get a binocular shipped over from Europe and what happens if you find it does not meet your needs?

I have never purchased a binocular from overseas but would do it if it were a model I could not get here. I did purchase what was advertised on eBay as a new old stock SLC WB HD from Canada but it turned out to be a bad listing and was the new version. It was expensive to send it back and required confusing paper work. Lucky for me the seller had to pay the return shipping because of their error in the ad.
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.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................. The Leupold Mojave BK3, Nikon MHG 8x42, Euro HD 8x32 and the Bushnell M 8x42 were sold and returned because although they were good for the money they didn't compare optically to my Nikon 8x30 EII. I compare everything to my Nikon 8x30 EII. .................................................. .............................................. You have to really go up the food chain in a roof to get one that compares with a porro like Nikon 8x30 EII although the better roofs start having better contrast than the EII which I really like.


I have both the Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 and the Nikon 8x30 EII and I prefer using the HG over the EII because I like the eye relief better.

I also prefer the view through the Monarch HG over the EII; perhaps because the object viewed appears larger to me in the Roof Prism. Also its contrast seems to me to be better but that may be because my EII is older.

All that said, I am still keeping my 8x30 EII.

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I have both the Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 and the Nikon 8x30 EII and I prefer using the HG over the EII because I like the eye relief better.

I also prefer the view through the Monarch HG over the EII; perhaps because the object viewed appears larger to me in the Roof Prism. Also its contrast seems to me to be better but that may be because my EII is older.

All that said, I am still keeping my 8x30 EII.

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The MHG does have more eye relief than the EII. In my case with my shallow eye sockets it had too much and I had to hold the binocular away from my eyes to avoid blackouts. So it didn't work good for me. Roof prisms do have larger images and I like that also. The contrast in the MHG is better than the EII and I liked that better too. The Euro HD had better contrast than the EII or the MHG. It is impossible to beat the big FOV in EII but what I am looking for in a higher end roof is better contrast the EII and a bigger than average FOV. Trouble is you have to spend about $1K on a roof to get both better contrast and a larger FOV. The EII is a good reference standard to judge other binoculars by.

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Are you sure about that? I know I read some posts indicating that a Swarovski binocular had to be a North America import in order to have warranty work covered by Swaro of N. America (SNOA). Here is what one member said in response to a dealer comment saying the warranty is active in the country where purchased .......

"I think your right on the warranty Proud Papa. The Swarovski binoculars have to bought in North America for the warranty to be good but how often do you have trouble with Swarovski's?"


http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...71&postcount=7

Maybe SNOA worked on you Habicht because it is not a model they normally stock. It can be sent back to Austria but that can be expensive.




Sounds like you are returning to your previous affinity for the "apha" view. As you once said, "Once you have Alpha you can never Backa?".

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....ighlight=backa

That was a lively thread!




I am not sure if the new CL will provide the sharper edges and the bigger FOV that you want in comparison to your experiences with the 8X42 Toric.

I have the Toric in the 10X42 and the large center view along with the mild drop off is one of the outstanding qualities about it. From what I have read, the 8X42 has the same qualities. Here is what you had to say about that .....

"The Toric is as good as any binocular I have ever looked through on-axis and it has a big sweet spot with a very gradual fall off at the edge. The edges are actually pretty sharp and you don't notice the difference in sharpness between the SV in normal viewing unless you look at the edges on purpose."

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...&postcount=119

It would most likely take a flat field binocular to beat the Toric in this regard. Since the new CL is a classic design like the Toric, it will have to be exceptional to have better edges than what you were used to in the Torric.

FOV: Keep in mind that even though Tract spec'd the 8X42 Toric with a FOV of 377 ft, Steve C. measured it at approximately 404 ft which is greater than the 396 ft FOV spec for the new CL.

It does not look like the new CL will have a bigger FOV or center than your baseline Toric but it should meet your desire for lighter and smaller and that may be enough to work for you.




It will be interesting to read if the new CL goes far enough up the food chain for your requirements. How long does it take to get a binocular shipped over from Europe and what happens if you find it does not meet your needs?

I have never purchased a binocular from overseas but would do it if it were a model I could not get here. I did purchase what was advertised on eBay as a new old stock SLC WB HD from Canada but it turned out to be a bad listing and was the new version. It was expensive to send it back and required confusing paper work. Lucky for me the seller had to pay the return shipping because of their error in the ad.
Yes, I have had a couple of Swarovski's sent in for warranty work that were not purchased in the USA over the years. Swarovski always covered them under warranty. Regarding the Tract Toric 8x42. It is an excellent binocular but based on what people have been saying about the new CL and my experience with the older CL I think the new one will have a little wider FOV and a little bigger sweetspot with sharper edges than the Tract. But that is speculation until I try the CL. The CL will give me a more compact, lighter binocular for travel and hiking. I would be happy if it performed close to the Tract. What I am looking for also with the new CL is a little better contrast than the EII. It seems you really have to move up the food chain in roofs to get that nice contrast. The Euro HD's had really nice contrast so they obviously had high end glass and coatings. Too bad mechanically they had some issues. When you compare them side by side you really get hooked on that nice contrast. The Euro HD's had better contrast than the Bushnell M's or the Nikon MHG's or the Nikon EII's. They were essentially alpha level in regards to contrast. Here is a nice review on both the Tract Toric 8x42 and the older Swarovski 8x30 CL. As far as international shipping I have did it many times without any problems. You can return the binoculars to the seller or send them to Swarovski under warranty if there is something wrong with them. If you just don't like them you might be better off just selling them on Ebay because Swarovski's sell very quick especially a new model like the CL that isn't available yet in the US.

https://www.bestbinocularsreviews.co...Review-181.htm
https://www.bestbinocularsreviews.co...n-8x30-109.htm

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Tried a 10x30 today, no 8 available, build quality and feel in the hand is head and shoulders above the old CL, in fact it felt every inch an Alpha 30mm to me. Optically it delivered on every level for me, with the caveat I would`nt personally go for the 10x.

Did `nt like the diopter mechanism, I reckon these will fly off the shelves.
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Tried a 10x30 today, no 8 available, build quality and feel in the hand is head and shoulders above the old CL, in fact it felt every inch an Alpha 30mm to me. Optically it delivered on every level for me, with the caveat I would`nt personally go for the 10x.

Did `nt like the diopter mechanism, I reckon these will fly off the shelves.
Uh oh. When Torview () writes sumpin' like that, I'm in trouble.

Yeah, though, at 30mm 10x is pretty much out of the question. 8x for me.
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Yes, I have had a couple of Swarovski's sent in for warranty work that were not purchased in the USA over the years. Swarovski always covered them under warranty. Regarding the Tract Toric 8x42. It is an excellent binocular but based on what people have been saying about the new CL and my experience with the older CL I think the new one will have a little wider FOV and a little bigger sweetspot with sharper edges than the Tract. But that is speculation until I try the CL. The CL will give me a more compact, lighter binocular for travel and hiking. I would be happy if it performed close to the Tract. What I am looking for also with the new CL is a little better contrast than the EII. It seems you really have to move up the food chain in roofs to get that nice contrast. The Euro HD's had really nice contrast so they obviously had high end glass and coatings. Too bad mechanically they had some issues. When you compare them side by side you really get hooked on that nice contrast. The Euro HD's had better contrast than the Bushnell M's or the Nikon MHG's or the Nikon EII's. They were essentially alpha level in regards to contrast. Here is a nice review on both the Tract Toric 8x42 and the older Swarovski 8x30 CL. As far as international shipping I have did it many times without any problems. You can return the binoculars to the seller or send them to Swarovski under warranty if there is something wrong with them. If you just don't like them you might be better off just selling them on Ebay because Swarovski's sell very quick especially a new model like the CL that isn't available yet in the US.

https://www.bestbinocularsreviews.co...Review-181.htm
https://www.bestbinocularsreviews.co...n-8x30-109.htm
Thanks, Dennis for your comparisons of contrast in the different models you've tried, which is one of my preferred attributes. Seems my Cabelas Euro 10x was a good choice for me, given they have "essentially alpha contrast" according to your observations (in the 8x). Good I have an EII to compare them to as well! I am newer to the fine arts of comparing binoculars and coming to such definitive conclusions in short order. I have to spend quite a bit of time with them to do that, if I can even define the fine parameters at all in optics performance. But I do try to hit the hight points that matter to my eyes; number one being the Wow factor, I think. Then I'm usually hooked! ; )

I hope your new CL is all you want it to be, but it sounds like you've already got an exit plan if they don't!

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Tried a 10x30 today, no 8 available, build quality and feel in the hand is head and shoulders above the old CL, in fact it felt every inch an Alpha 30mm to me. Optically it delivered on every level for me, with the caveat I would`nt personally go for the 10x.

Did `nt like the diopter mechanism, I reckon these will fly off the shelves.
Torview, would you elaborate on why you wouldn't go for the 10x? I remember your posting about the Minox BD 10X44 BP that you had, and all the good things you had to say about it at the time. That posting led me to get a pair too, eventually when I found them. Nice binoculars, and sure they have their limitations, like all do, especially in the lower priced ones.

But I've come to really like the 10x view, and wonder why most shun it. I still have 8x too, but it's nice to have a choice!

PS Love your Avatar-is it the same from a few years back? Or did you use another before-I am a sucker for great paintings and views-I seem to remember there was another I liked too, was there? Do I remember some cliffs?
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