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Nikon 7 / 8 x 42 EDG experiences sought

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Old Saturday 2nd February 2019, 15:32   #1
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Nikon 7 / 8 x 42 EDG experiences sought

This is an unashamedly 'armchair interest' posting,as I don't actually need any more binoculars and have 7 and 8x examples from European companies that do all I could possibly want.

But it's interesting to learn about other marques and I have used Nikon cameras for years. (They have turned out to be the most consistently reliable too -- the ones I'd take anywhere without fear of their letting me down.)

I see on Nikon UK's site that 7x and 8x 42 EDG closed bridge models are still available (as is 10x but I can't hold tens steady enough) and the prices are certainly well inside the borders of Territory Alpha.

The properties and pros and cons of 7 vs. 8 powers are familiar to me. All I am wondering is how they compare optically, whether they are very similar in their characteristics, how people find the field flattening effect on EDGs, colour saturation, colour balance, etc. Ergonomics I have an idea of having held a pair of 8x EDGs a while back but not having had time to try them out properly. So the picture effect is my primary concern, and then perhaps durability/longevity.

As said, too much of an armchair query but I would love to know more than the manufacturer's blurb, and also how the two mentioned compare with each other. The pair I held seemed very solid and I did like the opportunity to use winged eyecups.

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Don't make them sound so great I have to buy them after all... ... ;-)
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Old Saturday 2nd February 2019, 19:26   #2
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The 42 EDGs - 7x, 8x or 10x - can safely be called „premium material“ in my view.

Here is a brief „armchair response“ (meaning as lazy as can be) to an armchair query

In 2015, I did a comparative review of the premium market of binoculars:
https://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/read.php?9,426194 (sorry, all in German unfortunately)

and concluded by saying very briefly:

„- If you are looking for the widest field of view and excellent ergonomics, choose the SF
- If you want the sharpest possible image, both on and off axis, choose the EL SV
- If you are looking for the best straylight suppression and a compact format, choose the EDG
- The best center-sharpness / brightness and solid handling can be found in the HT
- If you are looking for proven mechanics and nice color saturated image, choose the HD Plus.“

I think choosing a premium bino has often more to do with personal preferences than with real substantial performance differences.

The EDG is the „oldest“ among the current top binoculars, and it doesn’t look as if Nikon is going to do an update anytime soon, but still today, the EDG doesn‘t have to hide from its newer competitors.

Details under the link mentioned above.

Just my 2 ct.

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The 42 EDGs - 7x, 8x or 10x - can safely be called „premium material“ in my view.

Here is a brief „armchair response“ (meaning as lazy as can be) to an armchair query

In 2015, I did a comparative review of the premium market of binoculars:
https://www.juelich-bonn.com/jForum/read.php?9,426194 (sorry, all in German unfortunately)

and concluded by saying very briefly:

„- If you are looking for the widest field of view and excellent ergonomics, choose the SF
- If you want the sharpest possible image, both on and off axis, choose the EL SV
- If you are looking for the best straylight suppression and a compact format, choose the EDG
- The best center-sharpness / brightness and solid handling can be found in the HT
- If you are looking for proven mechanics and nice color saturated image, choose the HD Plus.“

I think choosing a premium bino has often more to do with personal preferences than with real substantial performance differences.

The EDG is the „oldest“ among the current top binoculars, and it doesn’t look as if Nikon is going to do an update anytime soon, but still today, the EDG doesn‘t have to hide from its newer competitors.

Details under the link mentioned above.

Just my 2 ct.

Canip
Dear Pinac/Canip,

Thank you for directing me to your review; luckily I can read German quite well and for the few words that are unfamiliar I still have an excellent Collins dictionary to hand. An enjoyable read and conclusions that sound about right to me from my limited experience.

Did you have a chance at any time to compare the EDG 7x with the 8x?

Best wishes,

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In my brief usage of the EDG 10X42, I disliked the distinct warm [reddish] colour bias.
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In my brief usage of the EDG 10X42, I disliked the distinct warm [reddish] colour bias.
James:

You are just used to the design of the Zeiss, high transmission, that means more use of the blue spectrum.

Nikon has done things very well in the EDG models, neutral color presentation and the quality of the flat field view is without flaw.


I have owned the 10x42 since they were first introduced. I would not
hesitate either the 7 or 8x42.


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I agree with Canip above...great explanation.

I'm not sure there is a better binocular that does more things right than the EDG. Field is among the flattest. EXCELLENT ergonomics. Nice relatively compact package. Color is as neutral to me as it can get. Very much a "walk in" image presentation. It's my go to "reference" binocular. I'd use it a lot more if I didn't have others I like as well.
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Compare the Allbinos transmission graph of the Swarovision 8.5x42

https://www.allbinos.com/251-binocul...arovision.html

With Allbinos transmission graph of the EDG 8x42

https://www.allbinos.com/224-binocul..._8x42_EDG.html

Allbinos ranks the 2 binoculars 1st and 2nd among 8x42 binoculars.

Personally I wouldn't complain if I owned either one of them.

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I've only looked through the 10x model at Birdfair a couple years back. Build quality/mechanicals appeared very good, especially focus feel (for which it has been widely praised). Optically, comparable to the other top alphas in sharpness, ease of view etc., but - to my eyes anyway - not as bright. I'm sure the light transmission figures are in the same ball park as the other top makers, so this may be due to Nikon favouring the red spectrum or (as has been commented upon) Swarovski for instance not baffling their binoculars to the same degree. In any case if you have an 8x42 HT it's unlikely the equivalent EDG will impress you enough to shell out for it, and if you have the 7x42 Dialyt, P model, I think ditto. Nikon does sell binoculars to a worldwide market of course and I think in brighter climes than north-western Europe the highest degree of perceived brightness may likely be less important and the excellent baffling/interior blackening come into its own.
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Tom (post #3),

You are asking about the 7x vs 8x.
Patudo (post #8) mentions an interesting aspect in this respect: brightness.

I have not directly compared the 7x to the 8x, but, as mentioned, I compared the EDG 8x42 to the other premium 8x42s.

Separately, I have several times compared the EDG 7x42 with two other top 7x42s, the Zeiss FL and the Leica HD Plus (no detailed tests, just brief side by side reviews). And there, I got the clear impression that the EDG lacks the brightness of either the Victory or the Ultravid.

Otherwise, the image is everything you could wish for, but in terms of image brightness, the 7x EDG in my eyes is a clear number 3 behind its two competitors. The difference isn‘t huge, but a certain „lack of brilliance“ struck me each time.
I never got a similar impression with the 8x EDG.

In light of Patudo‘s post, it will be interesting to see how the 10x EDG fares against the same size European top brands.

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I have the 8X32, 8X42 and 10X42 EDGs, and when I use them outside they provide me with some great views, I never say boy I wish these were a lot brighter. I would think the 7X42 would also provide some great views also. As previously stated at this level, personal preferences matter most, different folks .....The only way to really answer this question is personal, and to try the glass for oneself.
If one wants a bright glass, get a premium 8X56.

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James:

You are just used to the design of the Zeiss, high transmission, that means more use of the blue spectrum.

Nikon has done things very well in the EDG models, neutral color presentation and the quality of the flat field view is without flaw.


I have owned the 10x42 since they were first introduced. I would not
hesitate either the 7 or 8x42.


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No, compared to the very neutral HT, warm [reddish] bias was clear. Not to disparage the EDG [which is excellent] but clean whites and completely neutral colours are important to me.
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No, compared to the very neutral HT, warm [reddish] bias was clear. Not to disparage the EDG [which is excellent] but clean whites and completely neutral colours are important to me.
As always thank you all for the variety of feedback on colour, brightness, and everything else. I now have a good idea how the Nikon EDGs fit in with the other makes and don't feel an urge to get a pair -- as said I really don't need them, in any size -- but I loved the focus, build quality, and ergonomics of the EDG 8x42 they had secondhand in the shop.

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No, compared to the very neutral HT, warm [reddish] bias was clear. Not to disparage the EDG [which is excellent] but clean whites and completely neutral colours are important to me.
I am happy with a reddish Leica-style bias but know what you mean about the HT, James, having been lucky enough to buy one from Lee last year. It has great handling as well; it's a definite keeper.

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