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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 00:40   #1
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Can anyone ID this? Saw it on a local ad, it’s supposed to be vintage
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 01:34   #2
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Nothing to see there, need a photo of the top bridge, name, etc.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 01:40   #3
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As Jerry has stated, no info here.

If I were to guess, I would say Zeiss Jena 7 or 10X50.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 02:12   #4
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The serial number does not seem to match anywhere on the Zeiss list.
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 02:23   #5
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The serial number does not seem to match anywhere on the Zeiss list.
Body construction and the serial # on the axle cap to me indicates early Nikon. I have repaired dozens of these sporting as many names: Manon, Town & Country, Sigma, Olympic, etc. If it is of the same ilk of which I am familiar, it is not top of the line compared to today’s most expensive binoculars. However, if collimated, it would be a fine instrument for the rest of your life. I never cease to be amazed at the guys who already own the very best binoculars in the world and are continually wetting their pants in a frenzy to “upgrade,” even though their visual acuity is way below them actually being able to ascertain the difference.

Finally, on binoculars forums today, “vintage” is a massively overused word that may be translated as “old,” junk,” or both. If we are going to use “vintage” to speak of binoculars, I think you may find that one actually qualifies. Please photograph the backplates for us.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 03:02   #6
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Is the first number of the serial number a 5? If so, it is a Carl Zeiss Jena made in 1980. The oculars look like the longer 7 x 50 ones which would make the model either a Jenoptem or Binoctem. If the oculars are the shorter 10 x 50 ones then it's either a Jenoptem or Dekarem. Note Jenoptems were made in 7 x 50, 8 x 30 and 10 x 50 models. The Jenoptems appear identical in all respects except markings to the respective Binoctem (7 x 50) , Deltrintem (8 x 30) and Dekarem (10 x 50) models, but they were not as expensive. It may be that the only differences were that they underwent a less stringent quality control and came in soft instead of hard leather carrying cases.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 10:07   #7
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I thought maybe Pentax or Yashica but the leather? finish looks a bit different.

The first two numbers are 50.

The leather strap suggested Russian, except the cutouts look like something else.
The serial number is not Soviet/Russian. So it isn't that.

A Nikon or Zeiss is possible.
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 11:19   #8
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Strap and the finish of the black painting point to Russian binoculars is my idea.
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 13:56   #9
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If it is Soviet it is really early, 1950, and seems in too good condition.
But it could be.
And if so it could be very high quality at that date.
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 16:21   #10
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CZJ 7x50
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 16:22   #11
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Hi,

my money is on a CZJ 7x50 (or maybe 10x50) but I'll have a closer look at my soviet ZOMZ 7x50 tonight.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 16:36   #12
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...I never cease to be amazed at the guys who already own the very best binoculars in the world and are continually wetting their pants in a frenzy to “upgrade,” even though their visual acuity is way below them actually being able to ascertain the difference...
The desire to upgrade isn't usually driven by the desire to improve resolution at the center of the view, but rather to obtain the substantial benefits of a well-corrected view off-axis (flat, low astigmatism, low CA) along with superb contrast, comfortable eye relief, good handling, quick precise focus, close focus, water proofing etc, which can be extremely useful for birding binoculars when they are pushed to their limits in rough and tumble field use.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 17:21   #13
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that's a Zeiss Jenna 7x50....or a good fake.....
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 17:59   #14
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I was thinking of one of the larger Zeiss Jenoptems - that strap brings back memories.
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 18:03   #15
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The desire to upgrade isn't usually driven by the desire to improve resolution at the center of the view, but rather to obtain the substantial benefits of a well-corrected view off-axis (flat, low astigmatism, low CA) along with superb contrast, comfortable eye relief, good handling, quick precise focus, close focus, water proofing etc, which can be extremely useful for birding binoculars when they are pushed to their limits in rough and tumble field use.

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Hi, Alexis:

Part of what you have addressed makes perfect sense. However, we have all seen threads go on about, say, light transmission, exclusively, with individuals wanting to blame everything they are seeing or NOT seeing on the binocular when, in fact, most of what they are seeing, or NOT seeing, should be laid at the feet of their own physiology. I realize my take is often different than most.

However, I would suggest that any person who worked in optical sales and repair every day for 21 years, would have a different perspective, too, especially if accurate information mattered to him.

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 20:12   #16
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Hi,

I have had a closer look at my russian made multicoated ZOMZ 7x50 which indeed looks quite similar to the pair shown above if one just looks at the form and screw positions.
But it has a 6 digit serial number in white in the same place as the 7 digit one on the pair shown by the original poster and the year of manufacture in a circle embossed above... like this:

http://www.astronomy.ro/forum/files/img_3696_146.jpg

Also there is no thread visible on the inside of the objective tube.

The soviet examples I used to have had a screw in the center where we see the 7 digit number on the o.p. pair and the 7 or 8 digit serial number (first 2 digits are year of production) preceded by a letter printed in a half circle at the edge like shown here:

https://www.astroforum.nl/filedata/f...3&d=1395918951

Also the leatherette on these examples is quite a bit coarser than what we see in the image above, there is a metal ring at the end of the objective tubes and again not thread visible.

The CZJ theory is supported by the serial 7 digit serial number and the cap it's printed on plus the thread inside the objective tubes...

See this image

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BI0AA...xl/s-l1600.jpg

in this ebay listing

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Carl-Zeiss-J...LdxP:rk:2:pf:0

Of course the o.p. could easily close the discussion by showing an image of the eyepiece side...

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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 20:21   #17
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Good job, Joachin:

Right axle cap, large focus wheel, tight objective caps. BINGO!

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Hi,

I have had a closer look at my russian made multicoated ZOMZ 7x50 which indeed looks quite similar to the pair shown above if one just looks at the form and screw positions.
But it has a 6 digit serial number in white in the same place as the 7 digit one on the pair shown by the original poster and the year of manufacture in a circle embossed above... like this:

http://www.astronomy.ro/forum/files/img_3696_146.jpg

Also there is no thread visible on the inside of the objective tube.

The soviet examples I used to have had a screw in the center where we see the 7 digit number on the o.p. pair and the 7 or 8 digit serial number (first 2 digits are year of production) preceded by a letter printed in a half circle at the edge like shown here:

https://www.astroforum.nl/filedata/f...3&d=1395918951

Also the leatherette on these examples is quite a bit coarser than what we see in the image above, there is a metal ring at the end of the objective tubes and again not thread visible.

The CZJ theory is supported by the serial 7 digit serial number and the cap it's printed on plus the thread inside the objective tubes...

See this image

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BI0AA...xl/s-l1600.jpg

in this ebay listing

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Carl-Zeiss-J...LdxP:rk:2:pf:0

Of course the o.p. could easily close the discussion by showing an image of the eyepiece side...

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It may be that the local Ad in post 1 only had one photo.

Also no sale price is given.
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Old Thursday 7th February 2019, 22:14   #19
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Not to complicate matters, but afaik there is/was a thriving business creating fake CZJ style binoculars, externally indistinguishable from the originals.

This glass has a CZJ 1980 production serial number, as recorded by Peter Abrahams here: http://www.europa.com/~telscope/binotele.htm

Of course, the serial number on a replaceable cap is not a definitive answer...
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I am impressed with the amount of effort and sleuthing that has gone into the effort here.

Well done, now the OP needs to come back.

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Not to complicate matters, but afaik there is/was a thriving business creating fake CZJ style binoculars, externally indistinguishable from the originals.
Hi,

yes indeed there is CZJ fakes around although not quite at the level of externally indistinguishable... after all even a very good multicoated "normal" CZJ (that is excluding rarities like Nobilems, Big Bins and the like) will go under 300€.

So no, we're not talking about near perfect Daytona or Moonwatch fakes here that can fool specialists...

BF member and well known optics specialist Holger Merlitz has a page on CZJ fakes and how to spot them - see

http://www.holgermerlitz.de/jenoptem.html

As far as we can see this example, it doesn't ring a bell in my opinion.

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Old Friday 8th February 2019, 01:05   #22
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Well some of you were right!

Is this bin any good?
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Jenautic is a new CZJ model for me and I am not confident that this is really a CZJ product.
The serial number indicates a 1980 production item. The DDR did not have much humor, so a nautical model without waterproofing would have been hard for the hierarchy to approve.
I'll hope to hear definitively from real experts such as Holger.
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Jenautic is a new CZJ model for me and I am not confident that this is really a CZJ product.
The serial number indicates a 1980 production item. The DDR did not have much humor, so a nautical model without waterproofing would have been hard for the hierarchy to approve.
I'll hope to hear definitively from real experts such as Holger.


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Old Friday 8th February 2019, 02:56   #25
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So, it looks like this binocular is not a true Zeiss, but a fake, fraud as they never did sell this
model, Jenautic, it does not exist except in the fake area.

This is a good one for discussion.

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