Ticks for New Zealand birds (1 Viewer)

Loutsy

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• Mar 1, 2018

• #1

I've been on a month's holiday in New Zealand and am using a birding app, as well as other web sources for information. One thing I'm unable to find an answer to is when can you count a tick for a bird that is called by another name. Some examples of names used in NZ birding app:
Shags - is this a new tick or the same bird as the cormorants?
Pukeko - is this a new tick or is this the same bird as the Purple Swamp Hen?

Thanks in advance for anyone who might have the answer to this!

 

Andy Adcock

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• Mar 1, 2018

• #2

Pukeko is a New Zealand endemic so will be a new bird for you.

The easiest way is to cross reference the scientific name of each species which will tell you what you've seen although, in this case, you'll need more than 'Shag' as there are several possibilities in NZ.


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delia todd

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• Mar 1, 2018

• #3

Hi Loutsy

You don't really need to start a new thread in a different forum, just let a Mod know you want it moved, either by posting in your thread, or PMing whoever is on line.

I've now moved your original thread to Birds & Birding as it had already had a reply, and deleted your duplicate thread.

 

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Jim M.

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• Mar 1, 2018

• #4

andyadcock said:

Pukeko is a New Zealand endemic so will be a new bird for you.

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In Clements/eBird taxonomy it's the same as Australasian Swamphen, the common bird in Australia.

 

Andy Adcock

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• Mar 2, 2018

• #5

Jim M. said:

In Clements/eBird taxonomy it's the same as Australasian Swamphen, the common bird in Australia.

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OK Jim, did not know that?

I wrongly assumed that with the use of an indiginous name, that it was endemic.


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mark clements

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• Mar 2, 2018

• #6

When I was in NZ they kept refering to it as indigenous too, along with Kiwi, Kea, Kakapo etc, I suppose the fact it doesn't begin with a 'K' is the clincher

Are theysubspecies of the Purple Swamphen?
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delia todd

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• Mar 2, 2018

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hwinbermuda said:

When I was in NZ they kept refering to it as indigenous too, along with Kiwi, Kea, Kakapo etc, I suppose the fact it doesn't begin with a 'K' is the clincher

Are theysubspecies of the Purple Swamphen?
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Nooo.... Harry. No longer. Purple Swamphen was split into several species a few years ago.

Pukeko is a subspecies of Australasian Swamphen, you can read more in that link.

 

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mark clements

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• Mar 2, 2018

• #8

delia todd said:

Nooo.... Harry. No longer. Purple Swamphen was split into several species a few years ago.

Pukeko is a subspecies of Australasian Swamphen, you can read more in that link.

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Thank you Delia,
I live and learn, but am not a lister, or twitcher, so do not get too up to date with taxonomy.
Oh, I do try, most years at New Year, but then get baffled by which are this year's new species etc and which of last year's no longer count.
I would like to use software, but do not want to record my location constantly, as it drains the battery.
I know its a first world problem, but my notebooks go back, and I have no ral idea of how many species I have seen, in what year, BUT, I can recall most new birds for me, and where I saw them, so that's a blessing.

Best
Harry

 

mjh73

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• Mar 12, 2018

• #9

delia todd said:

Nooo.... Harry. No longer. Purple Swamphen was split into several species a few years ago.

Pukeko is a subspecies of Australasian Swamphen, you can read more in that link.

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Strictly speaking 'Pukeko' is the local name given to Porphyrio melanotus in New Zealand. The nominate subspecies is in both New Zealand and most of Australia. So Pukeko only aligns to a subset of the subspecies P.m.melanotus, not the whole subspecies.