Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
More discoveries. NEW: Zeiss Victory SF 32

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

New Product Introduction Today From Swarovski ?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 02:43   #651
Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
 
Chosun Juan's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Central West NSW, Australia
Posts: 7,470
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterPS View Post
A bit off topic, but how can post #580 be a reply to #581?
Anti-causality? Now you have the proof that the author of #581 is from another planet/universe.
Lol ...... damn temporal mechanics !





Chosun
Chosun Juan is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2016 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 03:19   #652
AltaVista
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Arizona USA
Posts: 31
The NL series is quite exciting. I will wait to judge when I can handle them or at least see some independent reviews from several sources.

The shape looks quite efficient and inviting. Here is a nice online video teaser that shows the binocular/hand interface:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vy6CDFaVjM&t=2s

I love the good eye relief (18mm) combined with the large AFOV (69, 70 and 71 degrees). I have long considered 70 deg AFOV to be the ideal design goal in an alpha. There is great visual appeal at that AFOV in my experience and any more than 70 degrees requires such extreme optical design measures as to be impractical.

It remains to be seen what the distortion mapping is on the different NL binoculars. The published AFOV values would lead me to suspect that the 8X42 NL would have a nice balance of slight pincushion and no rolling ball effects while the 10X and 12X NL will probably have noticeable rolling ball or disturbing mustache distortion effects at the outer parts of the field of view to those of us that are sensitive to such. Hands on testing is needed.

The head rest is a welcome reincarnation of the ROSS Spectraross 8X40 from 70 years ago as Gary mentioned in post #115. This should be most effective at stabilizing the view for eyeglass wearers like myself. Non-eyeglass wearers can push the eyecups against the face and gain better stabilization than eyeglass wearers can. The new headrest should be a nice feature.

I am worried about the initial description by the Swarovski sales folk and their surrogates that the edges of the field seem to “disappear”. This sounds like the field stops will not be visible without purposeful repositioning of the eyeball to the eyepiece. This would be a real disappointment as I expect to see a sharp round field stop with totally dark surround on an alpha level binocular. It sounds like Swarovski may be anticipating some negative feedback on this and is using reverse psychology to make a design deficiency into a positive feature. Hands on testing is needed. Maybe it is a feature and the result will be stunning, I will keep an open mind (and open eyes).

So I look forward to Jan’s hands on review as well as others to come. And please, Jan start a new thread for actual hands on reviews of the NL.

Stephanie
AltaVista is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 05:50   #653
jan van daalen
Registered User

 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: maarssen holland
Posts: 2,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by dries1 View Post
Jan,

You were probably the only one.
No, actually Swaro's competition asked/told me.
jan van daalen is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 05:54   #654
jan van daalen
Registered User

 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: maarssen holland
Posts: 2,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by elkcub View Post
Optical box? Is that what the CLs are shipped in?

Ed
Hi Ed,

Don't ask me how it works but the view through the CL30 is without blackouts no matter the position of the eye cups, at least for me.

Jan
jan van daalen is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 06:16   #655
Troubador
Moderator
 
Troubador's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 10,238
Quote:
Originally Posted by elkcub View Post
Optical box? Is that what the CLs are shipped in?

Ed
Ed you said you are a serious guy and then you hit us with this! I like it!

Lee
__________________
"You are never alone, with a sheep"
Troubador is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 06:21   #656
Troubador
Moderator
 
Troubador's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 10,238
Quote:
Originally Posted by jan van daalen View Post
Hi Ed,

Don't ask me how it works but the view through the CL30 is without blackouts no matter the position of the eye cups, at least for me.

Jan
Isn't it the same optics as in a rifle scope where you need the super-long eye relief/optical box to avoid getting poked in the eye due to the recoil?

Lee
__________________
"You are never alone, with a sheep"

Last edited by Troubador : Thursday 9th July 2020 at 10:57.
Troubador is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 10:42   #657
John Cantelo
Registered User
 
John Cantelo's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Canterbury, UK
Posts: 6,426
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinewood View Post
Hello John,

My recollection is that the Zeiss FL models created quite a stir.

Stay safe,
Arthur
Yes, I think you're probably right.
__________________
John

Please support Andalucia Bird Society www.andalusiabirdsociety.org Visit my website & blog on birding in SW Spain at http://birdingcadizprovince.weebly.com/
John Cantelo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 11:52   #658
jan van daalen
Registered User

 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: maarssen holland
Posts: 2,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troubador View Post
Isn't it the same optics as in a rifle scope where you need the super-long eye relief/optical box to avoid getting poked in the eye due to the recoil?

Lee
Hi Lee,

If memory serves me well, it isn't possible to get the eye lens of the riflescope close to the eye without experiencing blackouts, something that doesn't occur with the CL30.

Since you brought it up, the word "poking" brings me sweet memories

Jan
jan van daalen is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 9th July 2020, 17:19   #659
Patudo
Registered User

 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London
Posts: 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by AltaVista View Post

I am worried about the initial description by the Swarovski sales folk and their surrogates that the edges of the field seem to “disappear”. This sounds like the field stops will not be visible without purposeful repositioning of the eyeball to the eyepiece. This would be a real disappointment as I expect to see a sharp round field stop with totally dark surround on an alpha level binocular.

Stephanie
Hi Stephanie - it may be that binoculars with extra wide fields of view move the field stop out to where it is much less noticeable. I just commandeered my brother's 10x50 WX, the alpha of alphas (at least optically) to double-check my impressions of it, and the field stop of this binocular is, as I remembered, so far out from the center that it certainly does not appear, at least to my eyes, as a "sharp round field stop with totally dark surround". The old Swift 7x35 extra wide angle porro I have also has a similar effect, albeit less pronounced. I haven't looked through the NL yet, nor probably will for some considerable time - but I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar in such a wide-field binocular.

Incidentally, I like being able to put the field stop a long way out, as the impression becomes more like looking out of a window than through a tube - I always try to position the binoculars so that the field stop is as far out as possible, right up until blackouts start to happen, then dial it back just slightly. Binoculars with large exit pupils seem to be particularly good at achieving this happy state, but I can accomplish this with some other binoculars as well. My two classic 8x30 porros (Zeiss West and Leitz Binuxit) are very very close optically, but I prefer the latter just a little more as I can get its field stop a little further out and I feel I am seeing just that little more.

I realize field of view isn't the be-all and end-all, and I agree a sharp, clean field stop (Leitz/Leica seem to be really good at this) looks neat and professional - but I would much rather sacrifice the second for more of the first, especially when it's sharp to the edge. "Your mileage may vary", of course...

Regards
Patudo
Patudo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 05:34   #660
Whiterain
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Virginia
Posts: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by jan van daalen View Post
Hi Lee,

If memory serves me well, it isn't possible to get the eye lens of the riflescope close to the eye without experiencing blackouts, something that doesn't occur with the CL30.

Since you brought it up, the word "poking" brings me sweet memories

Jan
Correct. There is a very small window where the light converges and gives a full image. Too close and your image goes to hell, and too far away gives you a tiny circle of light and a reflection on the scopes reticle extending beyond it, distorting badly if viewed slightly off-axis.

Most are 3.5" ER, and with a variable power scope most company lies stay pretty close to that mark, else various drawbacks.

Scout scopes are the exception where long eye relief is desirable, but those are typically fixed power optics, for optical-mechanical and practical (reaching way up to adjust is lame) reasons.

Last edited by Whiterain : Yesterday at 05:37.
Whiterain is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Camera Land has some more Great Deals on Kahles & Swarovski Demo Product gr8fuldoug Retailers and Dealers Offers 0 Tuesday 31st October 2017 13:12
Camera Land has some great deals on Swarovski Demo Product gr8fuldoug Retailers and Dealers Offers 0 Wednesday 18th October 2017 13:49
New product at Swarovski European Launch Tour dipped Swarovski 36 Monday 6th March 2017 15:02
Swarovski Demo & New Product Deals gr8fuldoug Retailers and Dealers Offers 2 Wednesday 13th October 2010 20:38
Swarovski Demo & New Product Deals gr8fuldoug Retailers and Dealers Offers 0 Saturday 29th May 2010 18:36

{googleads}

Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.21123910 seconds with 24 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:17.