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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 00:47   #1
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No retro Trinovids after all?

The new "retro" Trinovid line seems already to have disappeared from Leica's US website.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 01:03   #2
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It depends on where you are looking:
https://us.leica-camera.com/Sport-Op...Trinovid-Range

Anyway I have just sent an email to my contact at Leica, and we'll see what he has to say about the date when the new classic Trinovids can be found in stores.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 01:09   #3
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Well... that is interesting. Indeed gone from Leica's site but still shown on B&H's and Adorama's sites. Amazon doesn't show them. I'll check in a few days to see if they've been taken off their sites.

This makes me wonder if Leica is choosing to go back to the drawing board and do what they must to make them waterproof before releasing them -or- if they are throwing in the towel on that project.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 14:22   #4
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I can't find them on the Leica USA website either. They still show up in Leica's PDF Nature brochures covering all their binoculars.

My guess is that Leica decided they weren't worth the bother and they decided to cancel them after reading all the criticism about them not being waterproof on binocular blogs like this one.

Common sense tells us that making them waterproof would add several hundred dollars to their retail costs and would put them in direct competition with the Ultravids rather than the 2nd line Trinovids.

The Abbe/Konig prisms are on their last legs; why bother bringing back the Uppendahl Prisms? Stick with the old reliable, stodgy Schmidt/Pechans while wringing out the last little improvements that are left in them!

Birders by nature are stodgy. They are reluctant to reward optical companies for new ventures in binoculars.

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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 15:21   #5
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My guess is that Leica decided they weren't worth the bother and they decided to cancel them after reading all the criticism about them not being waterproof on binocular blogs like this one.
It was amusing to read this: Leica engineers did not know people want waterproof binos and have found that by reading the BF posts.

Anyway, here is the reply I got from Leica:

"I can confirm a delivery date by the end of February.
Due to the many pre-orders, there may be delays in delivery."

So there's still hope.

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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 15:39   #6
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It was amusing to read this: Leica engineers did not people want waterproof binos and have found that by reading the BF posts.

Anyway, here is the reply I got from Leica:

"I can confirm a delivery date by the end of February.
Due to the many pre-orders, there may be delays in delivery."

So there's still hope.


Good!

After first noting that you misinterpreted the reasons I gave in my original post #4 I will comment that Leica is still betting a lot of its own the money in this game even if it isn't making the binoculars water proof.

If they have chosen to ignore the negative opinions about the new Trinovids lack of water proofing that we read almost daily on Bird Forum then good luck to them in this venture!

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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 15:44   #7
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I hope that they have already made the waterproof upgrade and now the marketings guys are writing the new webpages.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 16:54   #8
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It was amusing to read this: Leica engineers did not know people want waterproof binos and have found that by reading the BF posts.

Anyway, here is the reply I got from Leica:

"I can confirm a delivery date by the end of February.
Due to the many pre-orders, there may be delays in delivery."

So there's still hope.
Mmmmm, that's strange.
We couldn't pre-order since no Leica rep had any sample, just pictures. I can't imagine any dealer pre-orders without seeing the real thing, but appearantly that is what happened according to your spokesman

We were told delivery date by the end of June, but most likely (if they will ever come) BirdFair England.

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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 17:06   #9
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Jan:

The "coffee" shop above your store has already received some samples, check them out.

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PS. Seriously, my contact works for Leica Camera's CS in Germany, and given my previous experience I have hardly any reason not to trust him.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 17:14   #10
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The "coffee" shop above your store has already received some samples, check them out.

Cheers,
Peter

PS. Seriously, my contact works for Leica Camera's CS in Germany, and given my previous experience I have hardly any reason not to trust him.
LOL,

The fire brigade had to come with pneumatic tools to enforce entry. All Leica contraband were flushed through the toilet........

PS. Seriously, my contact told me it is a Portugal initiative and we really don't know anything.

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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 17:20   #11
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The new "retro" Trinovid line seems already to have disappeared from Leica's US website.
Strange.

Gone from the German web as well.

Lack of interest from the resellers?

Press release said "in store in September 2017".

"Das Leica Trinovid ist ab September 2017 in Leica Stores und im Fachhandel in folgenden Ausführungen erhältlich.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 17:34   #12
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Mmmmm, that's strange.
We couldn't pre-order since no Leica rep had any sample, just pictures. I can't imagine any dealer pre-orders without seeing the real thing, but appearantly that is what happened according to your spokesman

We were told delivery date by the end of June, but most likely (if they will ever come) BirdFair England.

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So we have delivery dates of February (with possible delays), or June (or not) or August 2018 (if ever, maybe).

Since the sources were all Leica, I think its fair to say that the Leica left hand doesn't know what the Leica right hand is doing, and neither of them know what is going on behind the back.

What better way to start the new year than with a mystery?
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 18:59   #13
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B&H had a sale on Leica binoculars on "Cyber Monday", including the regular and new retro Trinovids. Maybe there weren't enough pre-orders to suit Leica, although I'm starting to regret not locking in the lower price, if they ever do come out.
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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 19:19   #14
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So we have delivery dates of February (with possible delays), or June (or not) or August 2018 (if ever, maybe).

Since the sources were all Leica, I think its fair to say that the Leica left hand doesn't know what the Leica right hand is doing, and neither of them know what is going on behind the back.

What better way to start the new year than with a mystery?
I'm pretty sure Zeiss can beat that.

BTW, when are the SF 8x32 due, Lee? At the BirdFair, in August 2021?

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Old Wednesday 27th December 2017, 19:44   #15
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I'm pretty sure Zeiss can beat that.

BTW, when are the SF 8x32 due, Lee? At the BirdFair, in August 2021?

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I absolutely agree Hermann, Zeiss has a crazy record for delays following announcements such as HT and then SF 42.

On the other hand I don't think there has been any official announcement of any date at all for SF 32, but your little joke is well aimed: Zeiss has nothing to be proud of in this respect over the last few years.

The most recent Zeiss launch has been the Harpia scope with deliveries promised to start in January 2018 and I heard that production began in early December which sounds encouraging, but I will believe Harpia scopes in the shops when i see them there.

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Old Friday 29th December 2017, 00:15   #16
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Leica's website has become (like others to be sure) very difficult to navigate and almost devoid of genuine information, except for PDF downloads if you can find them. So I suppose it's possible this is just a glitch, but for now there is no (non-HD) TRINOVID choice in their binocular menu.
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Old Friday 29th December 2017, 03:18   #17
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I'm pretty sure Zeiss can beat that.

BTW, when are the SF 8x32 due, Lee? At the BirdFair, in August 2021?

Hermann
I don't think Zeiss has ever mentioned this model as ''coming'', or even on the drawing board - same with any 32 mm HT's.

All Birdforum rumours.
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I don't think Zeiss has ever mentioned this model as ''coming'', or even on the drawing board - same with any 32 mm HT's.

All Birdforum rumours.
Correct James although Stephen Ingraham did mention it to a BF member at a US birding event. No official announcements have been made and they seem to have had their hands full with Gavia, Harpia and the new rangefinder bino.

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Old Thursday 18th January 2018, 21:27   #19
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The retro Trinovids have now disappeared from B&H's website, which until now listed them as available soon.
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The retro Trinovids have now disappeared from B&H's website, which until now listed them as available soon.
They do still figure on some German websites such as Intercon Spacetec, or even with a due date as „available from Feb. 20, 2018“ on astroshop.de.

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There have been quite a few folks, including in this forum, who have expressed that they would gladly buy a classic Trinovid updated with the latest anti-reflection and phase coatings; let's hope these outnumber those who are carping about waterproofing (of which how many ever get their binoculars wet enough that their full waterproofing - ie. ability to withstand immersion - is tested?). Leica does seem to trade on its past to some extent, and I do think a retro Trinovid (light, compact, beautifully built - let's hope the new ones will indeed have that kind of build quality, and that the difficulty/cost of building them as well as the old ones were isn't the reason for the delay/cancellation) would fit in well with their marketing strategy, and have its own appeal. Even the Uppendahl prism, although not having the 100% transmission of the Abbe-Konig, is probably a plus point amongst birders technically minded enough to know about such things.
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In the Leica website (difficult to navigate--this seems to be another criterion for "alpha" binoculars!) a brochure can presently be downloaded with all their models and this includes the new "retro" Trinovid range. It has been published on Nov. 20th 2017: maybe plans changed since then. One way to get to it is through the webpages for the Trinovid "HD" range. In it see pages 7, 22-23 and 64. The text answers something I have wondered about: 'Trinovid' (they say) is "Three novel innovations" (Tri Novi): ergonomic construction, true internal focusing and superior optical performance."
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In the Leica website (difficult to navigate--this seems to be another criterion for "alpha" binoculars!) a brochure can presently be downloaded with all their models and this includes the new "retro" Trinovid range. It has been published on Nov. 20th 2017: maybe plans changed since then. One way to get to it is through the webpages for the Trinovid "HD" range. In it see pages 7, 22-23 and 64. The text answers something I have wondered about: 'Trinovid' (they say) is "Three novel innovations" (Tri Novi): ergonomic construction, true internal focusing and superior optical performance."
That's a free interpretation of the original Tri Novi's, but never the less it was true back in the days.

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In the Leica website (difficult to navigate--this seems to be another criterion for "alpha" binoculars!) a brochure can presently be downloaded with all their models and this includes the new "retro" Trinovid range. It has been published on Nov. 20th 2017: maybe plans changed since then. One way to get to it is through the webpages for the Trinovid "HD" range. In it see pages 7, 22-23 and 64. The text answers something I have wondered about: 'Trinovid' (they say) is "Three novel innovations" (Tri Novi): ergonomic construction, true internal focusing and superior optical performance."
Yep, still there, scroll down to the English brochure pdf

http://uk.leica-camera.com/Sport-Opt...d-HD/Downloads
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My dealer wrote me to suggest cancelling my order of the Trinovid 7x35 and that's what I did. Poor style of Leica to announce a new product at such an immature stage. Poor business decision as well, the enthusiasm and momentum generated by the announcement of these binoculars seems gone.
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