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Old Tuesday 28th July 2020, 16:29   #1
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Garden Egret

Just a quickie.
I was sent this pic. Is it a Juvenile Cattle Egret or a Little Egret.
I know what I think but can I have a few replies. (and why)

Please vote
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Old Tuesday 28th July 2020, 17:41   #2
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Cattle for me on thickness of neck and bill structure.
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Old Tuesday 28th July 2020, 17:47   #3
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Hi Richard, although the feathering is extending well down the lower mandible, and the neck looks thick, I think this is a Little egret - grey/green lores, and ratio of bill length to width of head.
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Old Tuesday 28th July 2020, 18:04   #4
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Juv Little Egret for me. Mainly on the bill.

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Old Tuesday 28th July 2020, 20:01   #5
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Definitely Little. They bed on my old patch, and that’s what they look like
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Old Wednesday 29th July 2020, 01:08   #6
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The bill is black/grey which automatically rules out Cattle Egret.
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Old Wednesday 29th July 2020, 01:41   #7
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FWIW... I like Little Egret here also.
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Old Wednesday 29th July 2020, 06:13   #8
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The bill is black/grey which automatically rules out Cattle Egret.
not really https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/...owser/70691061
the picture is far from perfect and the bill possibly still shorter in very young Little, without reading the other comments my choice would have been Cattle, due to the feathering going up half the mandible, now id say dont know
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Old Wednesday 29th July 2020, 06:36   #9
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not really https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/...owser/70691061
the picture is far from perfect and the bill possibly still shorter in very young Little, without reading the other comments my choice would have been Cattle, due to the feathering going up half the mandible, now id say dont know
You are right as always Tom. I looked at my 'Birds of East Asia' and I have a pencilled note (from when or why I don't remember) saying 'early juv has blackish bill', although the text of the book doesn't mention this. None of the other books I have illustrate this either, though one does say that the very young bird's bill is ash-coloured. I had completely forgotten.

I have to say that although they breed near me, I've never seen this colouring. I attach a couple of photos of what should be a post-breeding group (end of July) near my house, and no black bills visible.

Maybe Eastern (where I am) and Western are different.

Here, the sometimes-difficult-to-separate-from-Cattle-Egret species is Intermediate Egret.

I still think it's Little, but not quite as confident as I was.
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Old Wednesday 29th July 2020, 06:50   #10
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Here's a UK Cattle Egret juv from a couple of years ago (black bill) -

https://twitter.com/CBWPS1/status/894503489786851328


Hard to tell, but bill length??
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Old Wednesday 29th July 2020, 08:20   #11
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Not an expert, but Little Egret for me. Either a young with ungrown bill or a strange perspective shoot. The neck is already too curved for Cattle Egret, especially the part immediately below the head. Shows a beginning of a tuft on nape. Lacks any trace of yellow on the bill and face.

best, it would be nice to see egrets of any type in my garden.

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I think the OP had it right, 'Garden Egret'.......
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I think the OP had it right, 'Garden Egret'.......
How large is the garden? Is it little, or great? Or intermediate in size? Does it contain any cattle?
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You are right as always Tom. I looked at my 'Birds of East Asia' and I have a pencilled note (from when or why I don't remember) saying 'early juv has blackish bill', although the text of the book doesn't mention this. None of the other books I have illustrate this either, though one does say that the very youn photos of what should be a post-breeding group (end of July) near my house, and no black bills visible.
I'm not offering an opinion on the identification, but for what it's worth Birds of the Western Palearctic says of Cattle Egret:

"Bill and lores at hatching pale flesh or horn (also described as green), darkening to black at 510 days, becoming gradually yellow during 2nd and 3rd month."

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Old Friday 31st July 2020, 19:43   #16
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I'm not offering an opinion on the identification, but for what it's worth Birds of the Western Palearctic says of Cattle Egret:

"Bill and lores at hatching pale flesh or horn (also described as green), darkening to black at 510 days, becoming gradually yellow during 2nd and 3rd month."

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