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Marsh harriers? southeast Sicily (1 Viewer)

Kinthissa

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seen on 1 June hunting over marshlands by the sea, two harrier-type birds

i cannot make sense of the bird in 2nd photo - is it a female Marsh harrier in her first adult plumage?
 

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Certainly Marsh Harrier, but I'd be hard pressed to try and age/sex it/them from these photos.

Recent studies of a French population have shown that this species is more difficult (and in som cases impossible) to sex and age, than was formerly thought.

Peter
 
Certainly Marsh Harrier, but I'd be hard pressed to try and age/sex it/them from these photos.

Recent studies of a French population have shown that this species is more difficult (and in som cases impossible) to sex and age, than was formerly thought.

Peter


Transvestite raptor
Male marsh harriers are mostly grey, with yellow eyes, while females are brown with white heads and shoulders, and brown eyes. Females are also about 30 per cent bigger than males.

Not all males obey the gender rules, though. Up to 40 per cent of them have mainly brown feathers with no greys at all, though they do still have the yellow eyes that mark them as male, and are no bigger than expected for their gender. These female-like males acquire their unusual colour in their second year, and keep it for the rest of their lives.

More here:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21138-zoologger-the-only-cross-dressing-bird-of-prey/
 
Thank you, Peter and Valéry. After poring over Forsman photos, I could only come up with immature female ... in a way it's a relief to know it can't all be figured out, even if I had a taken decent picture.

It was my first time seeing Marsh harriers hunting over marshes (harried by a crow). Vendicari Nature Reserve, hundreds of flamingos, and a family of Tadorna tadorna.
 
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