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Old Tuesday 31st May 2005, 12:28   #26
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...I didn't recognise/remember the plant it was on.
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Plant might be Comfrey?
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Old Tuesday 31st May 2005, 19:05   #27
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Question and another ....

Well, lets give up on tying that one down, I found the attached examples in my Luton, Beds garden today - afraid I disturbed them from an ancient pile of grass cuttings. I assume that its the male and female versions.

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Old Tuesday 31st May 2005, 19:48   #28
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Well, lets give up on tying that one down, I found the attached examples in my Luton, Beds garden today - afraid I disturbed them from an ancient pile of grass cuttings. I assume that its the male and female versions.

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This is Aphomia sociella aka Bee moth (pyralid) and they're all males.

Edit: Now that I've looked at pics in more detail, first one is male other 2 female, so yes you're correct.

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Old Tuesday 31st May 2005, 19:57   #29
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This is a difficult one: Epiblema sticticanum, E. cirsianum or E. scutulanum. Any thistles or coltsfoot nearby? On which plant is it resting?

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Would you be able to sort this one, it being the same or very similar. Unlikely to be coltsfoot feeder, plenty thistles, disturbed by day.

and Hugh sorry for stealing your thread, but I thought it topical.
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This is Aphomia sociella aka Bee moth (pyralid) and they're all males.

Edit: Now that I've looked at pics in more detail, first one is male other 2 female, so yes you're correct.
Thanks Angus,
I should have looked at the introduction pages of Waring and Townsend's book!

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I should have looked at the introduction pages of Waring and Townsend's book!

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Indeed, not many know about pg 13.
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Indeed, not many know about pg 13.
The second edition could be greatly improved with another couple of dozen of the commoner/larger micros illustrated! (Garden pebble would be an obvious one.)
It would be even better if W,T and L produced a companion micro-book of course. Anyone got any clout with BWP (no, not that one , British Wildlife Publishing)?
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Would you be able to sort this one, it being the same or very similar. Unlikely to be coltsfoot feeder, plenty thistles, disturbed by day.

and Hugh sorry for stealing your thread, but I thought it topical.
It might be E. sticticanum, but I'm not absolutely sure.

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It might be E. sticticanum, but I'm not absolutely sure.

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Here is a photo of a Cinnabar Moth - Tyria jacobaeae photographed this morning.

I used a Fuji finepix S7000 in super macro mode the lighting was ambient. Full auto exposure and AF, using the 12million pixel fine mode.

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Question Another Epiblema species moth?

I guess that this is yet another unidentifiable Epiblema species?
Plus Pyrausta aurata?

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I guess that this is yet another unidentifiable Epiblema species?
Plus Pyrausta aurata?

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2. Pyrausta auratus.

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Question A couple more moths

1355 an Ear Moth?
1346 a Plume moth of some sort?
1327 any suggestions for an ID?

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Hi Hugh,

No 1 Ear Moth OK
No 2 could be a Plapyptilia pallidactyla (1504)
No 3 looks a bit like the underside of an Endotricha flammealis (1424) but don't quote me on that!

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I must admit I thought Stenoptilia sp. when I saw that plume but I doubt there's enough there even to be sure of genus. I agree with Pete on the other two.
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The second edition could be greatly improved with another couple of dozen of the commoner/larger micros illustrated! (Garden pebble would be an obvious one.)
It would be even better if W,T and L produced a companion micro-book of course. Anyone got any clout with BWP (no, not that one , British Wildlife Publishing)?
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Myself and a friend have plans (tentative at the mo) for an 'Introduction to the Micro-lepidoptera of the British Isles' book (working title). You will *never* get a micro equivalent to the WTL book, it simply isn't possible without doing a severe mis-service to the science of entomology or being the size of a house. Our aim would be to illustrate the commoner and/or more easily identified species from each (sub)family, or for more difficult groups show representative species with appropriate warnings on identification, at least allowing a moth to be tied down to family level, with suggestions as to where to go for further information. It'll be photographic for obvious reasons. Would that be of any use? Any comments or suggestions appreciated, either here or directly to me mike AT bike 2 nature.co.uk (remove spaces and replace the AT as appropriate.
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I must admit I thought Stenoptilia sp. when I saw that plume but I doubt there's enough there even to be sure of genus. I agree with Pete on the other two.
My hunch would be that the plume is S.pteradactyla but it is only that.
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Micro book

Mike,

Any further info/pictures on micros would be extremely useful. Without the Internet it would be almost impossible to monitor and Id the micros I get here. Just the shear quantity is difficult without hours at the PC anyway. I am not keen on the 'pinned specimen' type layouts as they are much more difficult to use than the natural Richard Lewington/Waring style. Skinner is obviously very useful when a species needs hindwing inspection to identify it properly.

Look forward to the tomb.

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Question two more ...

Thanks for the ID suggestions, so two more (one of them I think I know from previous replies):

and one I forgot.

And yes the book sounds a great idea to me.

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Thanks for the ID suggestions, so two more (one of them I think I know from previous replies):

And yes the book sounds a great idea to me.

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Myself and a friend have plans (tentative at the mo) for an 'Introduction to the Micro-lepidoptera of the British Isles' book (working title). You will *never* get a micro equivalent to the WTL book, it simply isn't possible without doing a severe mis-service to the science of entomology or being the size of a house. Our aim would be to illustrate the commoner and/or more easily identified species from each (sub)family, or for more difficult groups show representative species with appropriate warnings on identification, at least allowing a moth to be tied down to family level, with suggestions as to where to go for further information. It'll be photographic for obvious reasons. Would that be of any use? Any comments or suggestions appreciated, either here or directly to me mike AT bike 2 nature.co.uk (remove spaces and replace the AT as appropriate.
As a photo guide with a limited circulation (there are still not that many of us interested in micros I don't think - there are only 154 members on the ukmicromoths yahoo group.) I guess it will come in at a fair old price. Still I would probably pay up to 50 quid for a good guide and it would probably do for micros what Waring et al has done for macros.

Good luck if you decide to go for it and you know where to ask for some photos
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Hi Mike,

I think it sounds like a great idea and I am sure it would sell well as it would be an easy way of getting into micro's without spending 100's on books. I also like you idea of using representative specimens for moths that are not possible to id ie for Ermines i guess you would have Bird-Cherry, Spindle and then the rest with a picture showing one of them and warning that it would be one of....and to id it you would need to......

I could see something like this opening up micro moths like Skinner did more the macro's and increasing interest greatly (and it would be great to have the id criteria set out infront of you so you would know what you could easily id.

As a plea can we also have larger than life photo's (with a life size as well if necessary?) unlike the pug book that could do with been supplied with a magnifying glass.

I await publication,

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Myself and a friend have plans (tentative at the mo) for an 'Introduction to the Micro-lepidoptera of the British Isles' book (working title). You will *never* get a micro equivalent to the WTL book, it simply isn't possible without doing a severe mis-service to the science of entomology or being the size of a house. Our aim would be to illustrate the commoner and/or more easily identified species from each (sub)family, or for more difficult groups show representative species with appropriate warnings on identification, at least allowing a moth to be tied down to family level, with suggestions as to where to go for further information. It'll be photographic for obvious reasons. Would that be of any use? Any comments or suggestions appreciated, either here or directly to me mike AT bike 2 nature.co.uk (remove spaces and replace the AT as appropriate.
Hello Mike,
I think such a book would be more than handy, especially if it concentrated on the Micro's that don't have any recently published books on them.

The Tortricoids, Pyralids and Plumes are fairly well covered already, it's all the other little B***ers we need data and pictures of. Good luck.

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Question retuning to IDs of actual moths ....

How about this one (my garden today), and also the last one in the last set I posted which has had no suggestions yet?
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