Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Zeiss - Always on the lookout for something special – Shop now

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

German darters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Thursday 31st October 2019, 10:25   #1
Dave Pearson
Registered User
 
Dave Pearson's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Winchester
Posts: 30
German darters

Could someone help me ID some darters I found in Bonn recently?

They appear to have all black legs so I assumed Ruddy but the abdomen does not look waisted, despite being red, and there are some small black dots ringed with yellow that apparently is a feature of Vagrant. Having only a camera phone did not help with the quality of my pictures.

I read that female Ruddy can turn red and that the wings also turn golden with age so that would be my first suggestion.

Any ideas?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20191025_150641.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	255.1 KB
ID:	708913  
Dave Pearson is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 31st October 2019, 19:07   #2
pdwinter
Paul Winter

 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Rownhams
Posts: 1,104
In the absence of any other replies. The black goes along the top of the frons but not down the sides eliminating both Ruddy and Vagrant Darter. It looks like a male Common Darter to me but with the legs appearing black - they can darken with age and the pale stripes down the rear of each leg can be difficult to see. I've attached a similar-ish one (although you can see the stripes in the legs). Common Darters have small black dots ringed with yellow. I don't know if it's an artefact but I think I can see a little bit of the yellow side panel just in front of the wing.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	600D_15456.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	347.6 KB
ID:	708974  
__________________
Paul, Rownhams(Hants,UK) & Álora(Málaga,ES)
https://sites.google.com/site/localp...ulas-de-malaga
pdwinter is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 1st November 2019, 11:43   #3
Dave Pearson
Registered User
 
Dave Pearson's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Winchester
Posts: 30
Thanks Paul,

I had a feeling the information about the black spots was the other way round!

How about this other darter? It would appear to me that the black extends down the side of the frons but the image is not brilliant.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Darter.jpg
Views:	20
Size:	155.1 KB
ID:	709034  
Dave Pearson is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 1st November 2019, 19:40   #4
pdwinter
Paul Winter

 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Rownhams
Posts: 1,104
Dave

I think it's just shadow - I put it in lightroom to get the detail out of the shadows (attached) and I can't see any thick black going down the sides.

Here's one (a female) showing the "moustache" http://www.dragonflypix.com/photos/s...ulgatum_16.jpg

HTH, Paul
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Darter2.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	127.6 KB
ID:	709072  
__________________
Paul, Rownhams(Hants,UK) & Álora(Málaga,ES)
https://sites.google.com/site/localp...ulas-de-malaga

Last edited by pdwinter : Friday 1st November 2019 at 19:41. Reason: forgot picture
pdwinter is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 2nd November 2019, 09:05   #5
andyadcock
Registered User
 
andyadcock's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Nottingham UK and St Petersburg, Russia
Posts: 15,332
Moustached / Vagrant Darter is common on my patch in Russia
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Moustached Darter face.jpg
Views:	12
Size:	69.2 KB
ID:	709121  
__________________
Andy A
andyadcock is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The not German Germain in German's Swiftlet … in French Calalp Bird Name Etymology 26 Monday 24th June 2019 16:49
The Swedish/German Common name of Gyps fulvus … in German (Fraktur) Calalp Bird Name Etymology 9 Saturday 23rd April 2016 10:57
From a German Storm to a German Sturm Calalp Bird Name Etymology 5 Friday 4th July 2014 08:02
Why not a German Name on German Binoculars? St. Elmo Binoculars 50 Tuesday 16th July 2013 16:30
Anybody knows these Darters, GER ??? Mergus1 Insects, Dragonflies, Arachnids, Beetles & More 4 Monday 13th September 2010 09:56

{googleads}

Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.19564009 seconds with 20 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 23:52.