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Italy - Italian Sparrow or Eurasian Tree Sparrow

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Old Tuesday 9th August 2016, 19:13   #1
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Italy - Italian Sparrow or Eurasian Tree Sparrow

Central Italy - not sure if these are the same or different birds (1st and third photos are same bird)
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Old Tuesday 9th August 2016, 20:59   #2
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All three are Tree Spugs - note the dark spot on the white cheek, Italian doesn't have that
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Old Tuesday 9th August 2016, 22:27   #3
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To me the second one seem to have too strong bill, too long black bib, too House Sparrow like wing markings including uniform chestnut lesser coverts and too faint and blurred black cheek-spots to be a pure Tree Sparrow. But I may interpret the very brightly coloured picture wrongly.....

IF indeed you've by chance managed to photograph a very rare hybrid Italian Sparrow x Tree Sparrow, I'll be the first to shout:

BRAVO!

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Old Tuesday 9th August 2016, 23:13   #4
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To me the second one seem to have too strong bill, too long black bib, too House Sparrow like wing markings including uniform chestnut lesser coverts and too faint and blurred black cheek-spots to be a pure Tree Sparrow. But I may interpret the very brightly coloured picture wrongly.....

IF indeed you've by chance managed to photograph a very rare hybrid Italian Sparrow x Tree Sparrow, I'll be the first to shout:

BRAVO!

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I wondered exactly that but didn't dare say it!
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I was thinking that the first and third were tree sparrows while the middle one was an Italian, but the black spot on the Italian threw me off. It definitely does have a more extensive bib than the other bird.
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I had a bird looking much like the one in 2 hanging around my garden (in Scotland) a couple of years ago and I always assumed it was a house/tree sparrow hybrid. Yours could easily be tree/Italian hybrid. It doesn't look like pure tree to me anyway.
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I had a bird looking much like the one in 2 hanging around my garden (in Scotland) a couple of years ago and I always assumed it was a house/tree sparrow hybrid.
I had a House Sparrow male breed with a Tree Sparrow two summers ago ...resultants looked very much like these birds.
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Just a dump question: why do both birds have a chestnut cheek spot instead of a black one as usual in Tree Sparrow?
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Just a dump question: why do both birds have a chestnut cheek spot instead of a black one as usual in Tree Sparrow?
Not only cheek spots but bibs also have a reddish cast. Photografic artefact I guess.

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