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Old Monday 3rd April 2017, 15:32   #1
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Lightbulb Natural Sequence Farming

Water that runs uphill ..... Madness! Or so it was thought - until now ....

Since it is of global significance, I thought I would start a dedicated thread to this revelation, revolution, call it what you will, but the work of visionary, maverick, guru, intuitive landscape whisperer, pioneer, saviour, immovable object/irresistible force, author, oft time pariah, and now OAM, Peter Andrews, is way too important to get lost in the noise.

His Natural Sequence Farming is a glorious legacy to the world, a long awaited and much needed cure to the destruction wrought by modern agricultural and livestock farming man.

I would highly recommend Peter's two brilliant books:
"BACK from the BRINK"
"BEYOND the BRINK"

A brief NSF schematic introduction:
http://www.nsfarming.com/Principles/principles4.html

The main NSF websites:
http://www.nsfarming.com/

http://www.naturalsequencefarming.com/

ABC TV Australian Story NSF documentary series (I suggest you make your own copies of transcripts and additional material as permitted by copyright law):
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2005/s1383562.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2005/s1388590.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/specia...in/default.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/specia...wo/default.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2015/s4226139.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2015/s4230652.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2015/s4297724.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2015/s4297708.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1925553.htm

http://tarwynpark.com/

Some further references of similar and derivative work:
http://www.watershedartisans.com/ .... Craig Sponholtz
https://earthintegral.com/2012/11/02...nfrastructure/


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Old Wednesday 16th May 2018, 10:47   #2
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Natural Sequence Farming guru & founder, Peter Andrews OAM has a new website:
https://www.peterandrewsoam.com/

It contains a wealth of information, links, and a host of relevant papers (follow links).

Get into it, get on it, join in, and get it done.



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Chosun,

Since you seem to be quite a proponent of this, or at least have a passion about the concept, can you provide your own summary here in-forum? Or a link to one?

The Wikipedia article is rather shallow in content, but the other links are either long-winded and lacking even a semblance of depth or conversely are not for casual reading. I was hoping to find a synopsis somewhere in between "cursory" and "needing a degree in horticulture and natural systems science."
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Old Wednesday 23rd May 2018, 18:45   #4
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i wouldn't mind a few square miles to practise this on myself.
all very well for squattocracy to get medals for this but the problem is too many people and ancient soils.
good luck to him and the ideas, yes i read a few links, but it is going to need a bit more than this to be real.
unless they stop immigrants, refuse to allow ownership of more than 20 acres a head, cut out farming of fields mire than 5 acres (especially of horses, sheep, goats and cattle) and give back Land to aboriginals, it is a dream of a middle class, well meaning old white bloke and not much more.

i dont want to be misunderstood, i was privileged to buy 6 acres and live there. but i dont think these ideas work from principle alone. it is a huge continent with little arable land and that is spoken for. first kill all the camels, waterbuffs, rabbits and other vermin and get rid of sheep. that would be a start.

i am not racist at all, by stop immigrants i mean of any kind and take the pressure off where suburbs are eating up precious arable land. you look at the backyards of many of the 1st generation italian immigrants for example and you see prolific gardens but today it is lawns and malls spreading out. bushfires roar through those suburbs too. the best start for any of this would be in local councils planning with requirements of green growth of the right kind and rain water preservation.

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Chosun,

Since you seem to be quite a proponent of this, or at least have a passion about the concept, can you provide your own summary here in-forum? Or a link to one?

The Wikipedia article is rather shallow in content, but the other links are either long-winded and lacking even a semblance of depth or conversely are not for casual reading. I was hoping to find a synopsis somewhere in between "cursory" and "needing a degree in horticulture and natural systems science."
Whoa - no small task ! :)

I will try and give a quick reponse for now, and give a more detailed response later when time allows. Really the best bet is to read his two books (several times of necessity!) and see working demonstration sites. I have met him, and he is an intuitive genius. I have seen the two feet of topsoil generated on his property while surrounding property's are more thin precarious topsoils tending to gravel and dust.

The reason that a simple "prescriptive formula" is elusive is because of the complex and individual analysis required for each case. In nearly all instances you are starting from heavily heavily damaged landscapes, and so some intermediary repair processes are required.

It is even recorded in religious tomes throughout the world that this mob or that mob "salted" the landscape and laid waste to it so that rivals were left with a barren prize. Nothing more than the salinity and desertification as a result of grazing/ agriculture as it has been practised since its invention.

In Australia this situation is exacerbated since the landscape evolved without hard-hoofed animals - consequently, invaders were able to destroy the natural functioning in a matter of decades, particularly by destroying the integral wetlands in a chain of ponds.

As a quick summary - water should remain within the soil and vegetation, water should run on higher points of the landscape (this is a mind bender to get your head around until the penny drops). Weeds are to be viewed (and used) as regenerative colonisers, and soil should be formed - not lost.

Contrast this to the present degraded landscape - chemically poisoned, cleared, incised, eroded watercourses act as drains - drying the land, carting soil and fertility out to sea in an increasing vicious cycle.

Research is thin on the ground but this is THE major cause of global warming, compounded by clapped out and economically unviable former arable land being concreted over for cities and ever expanding suburbs.



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Hi Chosun,

Thanks for sharing! I've not had time to look at the details but the principle looks great - and the aspiration is certainly something that should be applauded (and applied as widely as possible in my opinion).

I couldn't help but notice you mentioning it's THE major cause of global warming which it isn't - that dubious honour still goes to us transferring carbon stored in the geosphere to the atmosphere/hydrosphere/biosphere. Total global estimates for soil carbon are in the range of 1500 Pg , around 600 Pg for the biosphere, and around 4000 Pg for the fossil fuel reservoirs. Human activity is estimated to account for a CO2 emission flux of ~10 Pg per year, of which 87% is accounted for by fossil fuel combustion and industrial activity, and most of the remaining 13% by land use changes - so a very important factor indeed (and one that needs to addressed urgently and has loads of other benefits too as you point out), but not the major cause. Sorry to be pedantic

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Hi Chosun,

Thanks for sharing! I've not had time to look at the details but the principle looks great - and the aspiration is certainly something that should be applauded (and applied as widely as possible in my opinion).

I couldn't help but notice you mentioning it's THE major cause of global warming which it isn't - that dubious honour still goes to us transferring carbon stored in the geosphere to the atmosphere/hydrosphere/biosphere. Total global estimates for soil carbon are in the range of 1500 Pg , around 600 Pg for the biosphere, and around 4000 Pg for the fossil fuel reservoirs. Human activity is estimated to account for a CO2 emission flux of ~10 Pg per year, of which 87% is accounted for by fossil fuel combustion and industrial activity, and most of the remaining 13% by land use changes - so a very important factor indeed (and one that needs to addressed urgently and has loads of other benefits too as you point out), but not the major cause. Sorry to be pedantic

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Hi Joost,

It is indeed a critically important revolution in thinking (well for Western, and modern Eastern culture anyway - Indigenous cultures understand this concept and 'country' much more innately). I know you'd appreciate the learning contained in the two books written by Peter Andrews and I strongly recommend them to you.

I think I posted somewhere in the AGW thread that (from memory) the soil carbon effects were ~10x greater than other factors. I don't recall the source (it may even have been IPCC based). I am certain that it is an under researched area.

I'm not convinced that the CO2 levels are precursors rather than symptoms - I can't plough past all the assumptions in the literature because it just sets off too many red flags for me. I think basic thermodynamics has been forgotten.

This was demonstrated amply for me over summer when a river valley I overlook (on the western edge of the Sydney basin abutting the Blue Mountains), Penrith, NSW was THE hottest place on earth that day @47.3C ! That's ridiculous - it's a river valley .... the trouble is that the hydrolic arteries have been clogged with concrete - the majority of the natural cooling vegetation replaced with a gazillion tons of concrete. Massive heat island effects and destruction of microclimate mechanisms.

It is sad that something like 99% of these natural arteries have been degraded or destroyed. I wonder sometimes whether society has the appetite, or insight, to rip up swathes of housing, roads, bridges, drains, concrete lined canals etc to restore this natural functioning ..... ???


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I wonder sometimes whether society has the appetite, or insight, to rip up swathes of housing, roads, bridges, drains, concrete lined canals etc to restore this natural functioning ..... ???
I don't wonder, I know....they don't.

To implement land use like this would require a sharp reduction in world populations and/or compressing humanity into denser and denser urban environments (think "urbon monads").

The former is nature's way of handling it, though I think most empathetic humans wouldn't wish it on the world. The second is artificial and incredibly antithetical to life as a human being (though urban planners don't seem to agree).
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I just wanted to thank Mike in HK for putting me onto this book ..... more good work in the Regenerative Agriculture space.

Important because in this country with it's 'iron'bark trees, lack of woodpeckers (who lets face it would only end up with a massive headache and nothing to show for it anyway :) , and ancient soils, the first step in providing a hollow in a mature tree for birds to live in, many hundreds or even thousands and tens of thousands of years down the track, is the formation grain by grain of healthy soils.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-not-genocide

Excellent interview with the author here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xlc-5gnbaQ

And a beautiful Reed Warbler here :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHHovIAT7BU



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Peter Andrews on Weeds

Simply, Elegantly, Beautiful - and not a chemical in sight. Very concise and readily digested treatise on weeds by Peter
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qjlia4DjgKg



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Fascinating information has come to light as highlighted in recent books such as "Dark Emu" https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=364276

Carefully, sympathetically managed, and even cultivated landscapes, evolved over thousands and thousands of years by traditional owners (Indigenous Australian habitation has now been dated to 65,000+ years) , was destroyed by hard hoofed invading sheep in a matter of mere years ......



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Thumbs up Mulloon Creek - practical demonstration - Part I

For those that wanted a more practical demonstration try these 2 parts of a project (and history) at Mulloon Creek, Southern NSW.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d7abgyVMMHA



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Mulloon Creek - practical demonstration - Part II

Mulloon Creek history and explanation of pre white "settlement" (still no /@&^#! treaty) functioning of creek /wetland systems and floodplain ....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jFV9J9pwjgc



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