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Old Saturday 12th January 2013, 23:16   #1
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Dogs on Nature Reserves

I am trying my best (feels like swimming in treacle) to open people's eyes to the ways in which dog owners are affecting wildlife. I was unfortunate enough this week to witness a mute swan ripped to bits by a dog whose owner thought it ok to let off the lead and walk through a field with around 100 swans in it. I videoed it and took photos and have made them into this video. Please, if you care, post this video anywhere you can (facebook etc) and help me to get the word out to as many people as I can. I must warn you that the video and pictures are a bit graphic so if you are easily upset then please don't watch. Thank you.
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Old Saturday 12th January 2013, 23:26   #2
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Not appearing on my tablet Deseo.

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PS there is a thread about dogs being (allegedly) a threat to our bio-diversity already on here. Not sure how to link it for you. It's fair to say that it provokes mixed reactions.
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Old Saturday 12th January 2013, 23:35   #3
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Not appearing on my tablet Deseo.

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PS there is a thread about dogs being (allegedly) a threat to our bio-diversity already on here. Not sure how to link it for you. It's fair to say that it provokes mixed reactions.
They not allegedly a threat, they and their walkers are a very real threat unless the dog is very closely controlled. The video make that very clear to anyone but an idiot.
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Old Saturday 12th January 2013, 23:51   #4
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They not allegedly a threat, they and their walkers are a very real threat unless the dog is very closely controlled. The video make that very clear to anyone but an idiot.
I heartily condemn idiots who neither train nor control their dogs but as you know perfectly well threats to individual animals are not threats to biodiversity. Eye on the ball please.

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It did not and continues to not appear on my tablet. Which bit of that don't you understand?

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They not allegedly a threat, they and their walkers are a very real threat unless the dog is very closely controlled. The video make that very clear to anyone but an idiot.
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Old Sunday 13th January 2013, 00:12   #6
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Sorry mods. He/she touched a nerve.

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Old Sunday 13th January 2013, 00:15   #7
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Fully agree with you John,

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I heartily condemn idiots who neither train nor control their dogs but as you know perfectly well threats to individual animals are not threats to biodiversity. Eye on the ball please.

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Old Sunday 13th January 2013, 00:24   #8
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Your opinion remains just that - your opinion. Not fact. I still cannot access the link provided by the OP. I do not condone irresponsible dog owners.

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Old Sunday 13th January 2013, 03:16   #9
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Why dogs have to be taken to reserves is beyond me,there are enough places for them to be walked,let of the lead etc for there not to be a need to go to a reserve.
If someone wants to go to a reserve and has a dog,leave it at home for a few hours.
People choose to have dogs,the same as they choose to have children,if you choose a dog,then you should have to realise you probably are restricted to where you can go with them
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I don't think Speckled wood was aiming that at you clark. I think you misunderstood the post.
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Why dogs have to be taken to reserves is beyond me,there are enough places for them to be walked,let off the lead etc for there not to be a need to go to a reserve.
If someone wants to go to a reserve and has a dog,leave it at home for a few hours.
People choose to have dogs,the same as they choose to have children,if you choose a dog, then you should have to realise you probably are restricted to where you can go with them
It is impossible to make a reasonable argument against what Sniper is saying here.
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Cheers Deseo. Unfortunately he quoted my response to you so I'm not to sure. It's fair to say that I don't agree with many of SW's posts but then we're all entitled to our point of view. I tried that link again this morning and I still couldn't get it to work.

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I don't think Speckled wood was aiming that at you clark. I think you misunderstood the post.
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I probably don't need to see the video Deseo as your description is enough. Have you reported this to the authorities?

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Old Sunday 13th January 2013, 19:13   #14
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Well I took the story to our local TV news team. Here is the story....
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/sto...y-dog-on-swan/
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Scum. No other word for it.
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Whether or not dogs (collectively) are a threat to biodiversity may be a matter of debate, but the fact that irresponsible dog owners and their hounds are a threat to my blood pressure is beyond doubt,
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Why dogs have to be taken to reserves is beyond me,there are enough places for them to be walked,let of the lead etc for there not to be a need to go to a reserve.
If someone wants to go to a reserve and has a dog,leave it at home for a few hours.
People choose to have dogs,the same as they choose to have children,if you choose a dog,then you should have to realise you probably are restricted to where you can go with them
I agree with you. So does the RSPB, which bans dogs from its reserves. However, many LNRs and similar places are "amenities" to be used by the entire public, and dogs are both permitted and often facilitated with dog bins etc. Those situations you simply have to live with - except where dogs/owners are breaking the law in which case you have every right to take action as a concerned citizen.

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I think the world has gone mad (actually I know it has), we have a lovely marshy field on the pretty dried up marsh on my patch, it has been deliberately turned back to grazing marsh and is fenced off and now stocked with cattle. There is a clear sign to keep dogs away from the cattle, there is no need to enter the field anyway.

Today, two owners set their dogs into the field and then encouraged them to run up and down. The field they were standing in was plenty big enough for them to run around in but they had to chose the cow field. Naturally the dogs went for the cows who admittedly didn't seem much fussed though I was half expecting them to head butt the mutts.

I had already been rushed by another large 'thug' dog earlier, its owner totally not in control. It makes me appreciate the reservoir bit of the patch where dogs are not allowed. I don't know what harm the dogs do to the wildlife, flushing and killing apart, but it certainly diminishes my enjoyment.

Of course everyone has a right to their thing, maybe even dog owners, but responsibilities come with those rights.

Not a happy bunny:-(
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I am a volunteer wildlife warden for a local site near me,it is not a wildlife reserve as such but is geared up as "open space for all"
Dog walkers,birders,kids mix together and on the whole get on well.
There are plenty of paths and on the whole the dog walkers are fine,but every now and then one or two leave their dog poo bags tied to trees etc.and every now and then the odd arguement takes place between dog walkers who see their dog attacked by another and every now and then,me and others who bird,have our equipment bashed,licked or barged into by a bounding or every now and then threatening dog.
But it's not a nature reserve,its open space for all and I choose to bird there and accept the consequences.The same as those with dogs,should understand that a nature reserve is exactly that,for nature and the well being of it,not some little pooch to run around,crapping everywhere and bounding in and out of bushes,reeds,nesting areas etc etc
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I think the world has gone mad (actually I know it has), we have a lovely marshy field on the pretty dried up marsh on my patch, it has been deliberately turned back to grazing marsh and is fenced off and now stocked with cattle. There is a clear sign to keep dogs away from the cattle, there is no need to enter the field anyway.

Today, two owners set their dogs into the field and then encouraged them to run up and down. The field they were standing in was plenty big enough for them to run around in but they had to chose the cow field. Naturally the dogs went for the cows who admittedly didn't seem much fussed though I was half expecting them to head butt the mutts.

I had already been rushed by another large 'thug' dog earlier, its owner totally not in control. It makes me appreciate the reservoir bit of the patch where dogs are not allowed. I don't know what harm the dogs do to the wildlife, flushing and killing apart, but it certainly diminishes my enjoyment.

Of course everyone has a right to their thing, maybe even dog owners, but responsibilities come with those rights.

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Hi GH,
I had similar experiences before Xmas on an Essex Wildlife Trust site,as well as another site the day before,I like dogs,just don't like the sometimes idiot owners who own them.
I wrote a blog entry about it,to which I actually got a nasty pm from some "staff" owner,claiming I should be bitten by one for what I wrote.
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I agree with everything you say here Sniper. It annoys the hell out of me that people are too lazy to use the bins provided. It's probably clear that I am a dog lover but remain of the opinion that that the majority of dog owners are sensible and responsible. Some sort of license fee must be the way forward.

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I am a volunteer wildlife warden for a local site near me,it is not a wildlife reserve as such but is geared up as "open space for all"
Dog walkers,birders,kids mix together and on the whole get on well.
There are plenty of paths and on the whole the dog walkers are fine,but every now and then one or two leave their dog poo bags tied to trees etc.and every now and then the odd arguement takes place between dog walkers who see their dog attacked by another and every now and then,me and others who bird,have our equipment bashed,licked or barged into by a bounding or every now and then threatening dog.
But it's not a nature reserve,its open space for all and I choose to bird there and accept the consequences.The same as those with dogs,should understand that a nature reserve is exactly that,for nature and the well being of it,not some little pooch to run around,crapping everywhere and bounding in and out of bushes,reeds,nesting areas etc etc
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I talk to some lovely dogs on my site and some nice owners lol but poo bags really gets on my tits.
The other day while in my bedroom I saw a woman put a poo bag on my garden wall,I rushed downstairs to confront the old bag and she just walked off,I then threw the bag in her general direction and it hit her on the head and sadly split on impact.
Apparently her husband was going to come round and sort me out,but despite me siting on my garden wall for the best part of an hour,he failed to show.Just another day in suburban essex
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I think that it is a lost battle, and it is only going to get worse. People are all too aware of what they think are their "rights" but are somehow unable to comprehend their responsibilities. Sadly more and more dog owners seem not to be aware of their responsibilities and start to foam at the mouth if anyone dares to suggest that they do have responsibilities.
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Getting back to the OP I really hope that this person gets a ruddy great fine at the very least.

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I am trying my best (feels like swimming in treacle) to open people's eyes to the ways in which dog owners are affecting wildlife. I was unfortunate enough this week to witness a mute swan ripped to bits by a dog whose owner thought it ok to let off the lead and walk through a field with around 100 swans in it. I videoed it and took photos and have made them into this video. Please, if you care, post this video anywhere you can (facebook etc) and help me to get the word out to as many people as I can. I must warn you that the video and pictures are a bit graphic so if you are easily upset then please don't watch. Thank you.
http://youtu.be/id6b-ER1-G8
Excellent video. Thanks for posting. I've had lot's of similar experiences over the years.
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