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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 06:42   #251
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Perdicula Bengal Sporting Magazine IX No. 41. You are right Björn.
Ghent University Library has Carpospiza Müller part III in what they call Description de nouveaux oiseaux d'Afrique découverts et dessinés d'après nature, pour servir aux planches ... I paid 10 Euros for planch X or 10 and four pages of text which describes Carpospiza longipennis. They have a great reproduction program of their rare books.
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Old Saturday 4th August 2018, 07:48   #252
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... I paid 10 Euros for planch X or 10 and four pages of text which describes Carpospiza longipennis. ...
That´s dedication, Mark! Well done.

I trust you will let us know what it tells us, as soon as you have received it ...
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The OD of Carpospiza is attached.
Thanks to the staff of the University of Gent library.
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Also planch (Tab.)? X of Carpospiza longipennis.
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Thanks Mark.
A simple portmanteau of Carpodacus and Corospiza, then ?
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Excellent and much appreciated work, Mark.
Now only Perdicula of current names is outstanding.
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 12:09   #257
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Thanks, "A simple portmanteau of Carpodacus and Corospiza" i thin so. Im still confused by the reference to F. Simplex. I expected the book to be in German? Does the drawing look like brevipennis? What ever happened to C. longipennis?
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Old Thursday 16th August 2018, 08:49   #259
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Thanks, "A simple portmanteau of Carpodacus and Corospiza" i thin so. Im still confused by the reference to F. Simplex. I expected the book to be in German? Does the drawing look like brevipennis? What ever happened to C. longipennis?
The bird described here in details and shown on the plate is his Carpospiza longipennis. He says he initially thought the specimens were female Fringilla simplex (now Passer simplex, Desert Sparrow), but after a closer look he realized they were not.

C. brevipennis is briefly introduced in the PS at the end of the text (second scan, left page), where he says he once killed a bird in Kordofan, with a Carpospiza-like bill structure but shorter wings, and the back, rump, wings and tail of a yellowish rusty colour. Then he adds that if it is really a new species he calls it Carpospiza brevipennis.
(As the name is introduced in a conditional way, I'd tend not to consider this additional included species as an "originally included nominal species" in the sense of the Code. Thus I think the type remains C. longipennis by original monotypy.)

The work apparently had a German and a French edition that were published in parallel. Which text appeared first in the present case, I don't know for sure. The Richmond Index apparently takes the name from the German edition, but in the Zoonomen list it's the French edition that is cited, without explanation.

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So ... von Müller's Beiträge zur Ornithologie Afrika's (the German edition) ... is still "unseen". Sigh! A bit disappointing.

James, any need to keep looking for it? Or is the French edition enough?

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PS. Perdicula should be able to find in London, see post #250.
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Perdicula Hodgson, 1837.
No sooner the word, than the deed. Martin has kindly sent me a copy of the OD of Perdicula, and I have incorporated that into the text of the Key, being the last of the currently recognised genera which I had not had a view of. Much appreciated, Martin.

Björn, Re Carpospiza the French ed. is sufficient.

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Bonaparte went to the Berlin Museum and saw a bird named by Hemprich as F. brachydactyla and Bonaparte recognised it as a species and publishes it in 1850. Then Muller publishs Carpospiza. In a 1854 JfO Cabanis makes the connection between the two. Im wondering if there are two populations one short winged and one long winged?
In the OD of Perdicula at the KEY it mentions Gunga's No. 6.??
Here is all I could find:
Several writers in the Bengal Sporting Magazine, including Hodgson, used to consider the Coromandel and Rain -quail to be distinct; but the well-known * Gunga'
shewed that they were the same bird, and that the supposed
distinction probably arose from Sportsmen considering that Bain-
quail, so called, were never met with, except during the rains,
whereas they are found at all seasons, but attract attention less in
the cold weather, and indeed are then often confounded with the
Grey-Quail.
The female lays eight to twelve eggs, dull whitish, blotched
and speckled with umber brown. Gunga, in the Bengal Sporting
Magazine, says, that on one occasion, he found four whitish eggs,
dotted and blotched with pale red.
DESCRIPTIONS 0F ALL THE SPECIES OF GAME BIRDS,
SNIPE, AND DUCK FOUND IN INDIA, BY T. C. JERDON

Gunga …an ornithological notice of the Bengal Vulture. Bengal Sporting Magazine. IV:
Hodgson wrote in the Bengal Sporting Magazine as Parabattiah.
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Gunga …an ornithological notice of the Bengal Vulture. Bengal Sporting Magazine. IV:
Hodgson wrote in the Bengal Sporting Magazine as Parabattiah.
Mark, "... Gunga, alias the late Major Brown." ... from The Oriental Sporting Magazine, 1870, here.

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Thank you Björn!!
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