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Old Tuesday 6th December 2005, 22:24   #1
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Cool Great Grey Shrike/Southern Grey Shrike

I got a pic this afternoon of what I thought was the Iberian version of the great Grey Shrike, Lanius meridionalis,. It is listed as having three particular characteristics
1) pinkish bloom underneath
2) White spot at the "hand"
3) A distinct white supercilium extending into a white forehead
These are all clearly visible on the bird I photographed today however on posting the pic it has been suggested that this should be called a Southern Grey Shrike I looked up the BF galleries to compare other pics of southern Grey Shrikes but the bird I have posted differs from others already posted as Southern Greys. Most notably my bird has a "distinct white forehead" which is not apparent on the Sothern Greys previously posted.
What should Lanius Meridionalis be called, an Iberian variant of the Great Grey Shrike or a Southern Grey Shrike?
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Old Tuesday 6th December 2005, 22:43   #2
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Your bird is a Southern Grey Shrike of the race meridionalis. The other bird is a Southern Grey Shrike of the race pallidirostris

Great Grey Shrike is Lanius excubitor
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Old Tuesday 6th December 2005, 22:53   #3
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Hi,

Your bird looks good for Southern Grey shrike (Lanius meridionalis)
http://www.fotodigiscoping.info/gale...20meridionalis

http://www.aerc.be/Laniusmeridionalis/index.htm

http://www.spainbirds.com/ing/decemb...alcaudones.htm

http://pdubois.free.fr/espece.php?MyEspece=LANMER

http://www.birdfoto.fsnet.co.uk/grey...onshrikes.html

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=33437

http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/Split/SplitTrueShrikes.htm

The one you found in BF gallery is a Steppe Grey Shrike Lanius pallidirostris, observed in England.
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Old Tuesday 6th December 2005, 23:10   #4
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Thanks very much folks that has all been a great help.
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We haven't split Steppe as a species yet Jan... still part of the Southern Grey Shrike complex
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Old Wednesday 7th December 2005, 12:12   #6
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We haven't split Steppe as a species yet Jan... still part of the Southern Grey Shrike complex
Yes, your right.
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Yes, your right.
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Probably only a matter of time before they're split, though.

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Probably only a matter of time before they're split, though.

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Yes seems like it.
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