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Old Tuesday 24th April 2018, 01:32   #26
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One that almost got away is the Swarovski 8X42 SLC HD WB (one version back from the current model with the close focus). There were less in the channel than I thought when the closeout took place and they were gone in a hurry. Those that were left were at high retail. Ultimately, about two years later, a like new with box, papers and accessories showed up on the Bay at a great price and I got it.

Two that are or will be going away that have my interest are the Zeiss HT and the Zeiss 8X32 FL. I am undecided between an 8X and a 10X in the HT but leaning toward the 10X and a low light game spotter.
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Old Thursday 26th April 2018, 01:42   #27
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I suppose the other early '90s bino I missed and would have enjoyed, if I'd been paying attention at the time, was the (Dekarem-based) Docter Classic 10x50 that preceded the ugly Nobilem series. But the more I think about that, the more clearly I see the line between using binoculars and collecting them, which I don't really want to be doing.
I too would really have liked to have looked through the very last models of the Docter Classics! I used the East German made 8x30 Jenoptem a fair bit and it was a good performer for the price. The Docter versions with improved multi-coatings (Zeiss Jena's T3M was adequate but not the equal of Zeiss West's T*) and probably better build quality would have been the ultimate versions of the classic old 8x30 and 10x50 designs. Incidentally, I agree the later Nobilems look - and doubtless are - large and clunky, but I do admire the looks of the early versions that resembled the Oberkochen porros. I wish Docter had produced say the 12x50B spezial with updated coatings...

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At least binocular designs are still basically sticking to relevant essentials, and a simple pleasure to use -- a stark contrast to camera design today, not to mention (as Kevin has) cars. If such electronic complexity ever comes to binos, watch the values of classic alphas soar.
I'm not so sure I agree on that one - if one looks at camera lenses I don't really see huge demand/soaring values for manual focus lenses (apart from Leica, I guess, many of which are probably purchased by collectors rather than users), although of course prices have risen from what they used to be now that adapters are widely available. If technology and electronics can offer a better, possibly stabillized, image than current alphas in an ergonomic and weather resistant package, bring it on. One of the other threads mentioned watches - if electronics can offer the same improvement image-wise as quartz or digital watches did in terms of timekeeping, for the same relative price, well...bring it on.

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a few may have gotten away, but more -many more, too many-have been caught

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I'm not so sure I agree on that one - if one looks at camera lenses I don't really see huge demand/soaring values for manual focus lenses (apart from Leica, I guess, many of which are probably purchased by collectors rather than users), although of course prices have risen from what they used to be now that adapters are widely available. If technology and electronics can offer a better, possibly stabillized, image than current alphas in an ergonomic and weather resistant package, bring it on.
That's absolutely a valid point, although for me optics aren't just a means to an end but tools I appreciate in their own right, and expect to last. I'm being a stick in the mud, starting to sound like the old(ish) fogey I never imagined I'd be. Don't even get me started on cars. The pace of technological change has become too fast for me in our society in all kinds of ways, and people even seem convinced that innovation is a good in itself that will magically solve all the problems we're ignoring while we try to keep up with it. (/rant)
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That's absolutely a valid point, although for me optics aren't just a means to an end but tools I appreciate in their own right, and expect to last. I'm being a stick in the mud, starting to sound like the old(ish) fogey I never imagined I'd be. Don't even get me started on cars. The pace of technological change has become too fast for me in our society in all kinds of ways, and people even seem convinced that innovation is a good in itself that will magically solve all the problems we're ignoring while we try to keep up with it. (/rant)
Tenex I was an old fogey before I heard of the term.

Many years ago when I was in my twenties I wrote an article that got published in Motorcycle Sport magazine. It was entitled 'Hope for the Less Ambitious?' and was a protest about the stream of 4 cylinder motorcycles that was flowing out of Japan at the time and the seeming abandoning of twins and singles which I thought still had their place.

I thought it then and think it now: more isn't always better.

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Not to go too off thread, the English had the best handling bikes back then along with BMW, anything from Japan back then, had the worst handling and suspension.

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I'm not so sure I agree on that one - if one looks at camera lenses I don't really see huge demand/soaring values for manual focus lenses (apart from Leica, I guess, many of which are probably purchased by collectors rather than users), although of course prices have risen from what they used to be now that adapters are widely available. If technology and electronics can offer a better, possibly stabillized, image than current alphas in an ergonomic and weather resistant package, bring it on. One of the other threads mentioned watches - if electronics can offer the same improvement image-wise as quartz or digital watches did in terms of timekeeping, for the same relative price, well...bring it on.
Zeiss manual lenses sell well. They are modern designs that couple with the electronics of the camera for accurate focusing, and exposure control.
Modern cameras have no facility (split or micro prisms) to focus old lenses and the camera won't stop the lens down at the time of exposure. They are just mostly impractical.

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Tenex I was an old fogey before I heard of the term.

Many years ago when I was in my twenties I wrote an article that got published in Motorcycle Sport magazine. It was entitled 'Hope for the Less Ambitious?' and was a protest about the stream of 4 cylinder motorcycles that was flowing out of Japan at the time and the seeming abandoning of twins and singles which I thought still had their place.

I thought it then and think it now: more isn't always better.

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I've had them all and currently my three bikes are all singles. I like simple as well.

The Japanese were selling singles and twins after the release of the Honda 750 (which started the 4 cylinder invasion). The bigger bikes were 4 cylinders, primarily, but that was a design choice by them to easily gain more power which is what people wanted. The primary difference the Japanese brought to the party was reliability. With both power and reliability they could have been 8 cylinder bikes and the public would have ate them up with a spoon.

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Not to go too off thread, the English had the best handling bikes back then along with BMW, anything from Japan back then, had the worst handling and suspension.

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It depends on when "back then" was. By 1977 the GS750 showed them all how to do it. I had a BMW R75/5 at the time I first rode the then new Suzuki. Though I was very accustomed to the oddities and quirks of the BMW and had convinced myself of it's good handling, the Suzuki was a revelation. Power, brakes, and handling like I'd never experienced before.

Sorry to everyone else for the continuation of off topic talk but I just had to chime in. Cheers.
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Tenex I was an old fogey before I heard of the term.

Many years ago when I was in my twenties I wrote an article that got published in Motorcycle Sport magazine. It was entitled 'Hope for the Less Ambitious?' and was a protest about the stream of 4 cylinder motorcycles that was flowing out of Japan at the time and the seeming abandoning of twins and singles which I thought still had their place.

I thought it then and think it now: more isn't always better.

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Mine is an air cooled twin!
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Sweet, Ride that out here and visit me. Bring your bins. (not all of them, you wouldn't have any room left for your gear)
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Sweet, Ride that out here and visit me. Bring your bins. (not all of them, you wouldn't have any room left for your gear)
That would be a nice trip for sure!
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I had a very good friend for many years who rode a big Harley. He would take a little tent and stove and head out from here and just ride down through Eastern Oregon, AZ, NV, New Mexico all by hisself for weeks at a time. He was a huge guy with hair down to the middle of his back and looked exactly like the picture in your mind of a Hells Angel. I gave him those little 7x25 Nikons I traveled with for 20 years that I mentioned a while back. He loved them in the same way I did. He was my best friend here. His son committed suicide and he grew quiet and rode out alone more and more. One day he told me he was leaving. He quit where we were working and now is living as a Buddhist Monk somewhere down in Northern California. I never hear from him. He's gone gone.
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I had a very good friend for many years who rode a big Harley. He would take a little tent and stove and head out from here and just ride down through Eastern Oregon, AZ, NV, New Mexico all by hisself for weeks at a time. He was a huge guy with hair down to the middle of his back and looked exactly like the picture in your mind of a Hells Angel. I gave him those little 7x25 Nikons I traveled with for 20 years that I mentioned a while back. He loved them in the same way I did. He was my best friend here. His son committed suicide and he grew quiet and rode out alone more and more. One day he told me he was leaving. He quit where we were working and now is living as a Buddhist Monk somewhere down in Northern California. I never hear from him. He's gone gone.
Let us hope he found the peace most of us never do.

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He shaved his head just before he left and man did he look scary. The perfect Monk lol. I should have gotten those binos back from him because he sold his home that he dearly loved and had to give up all his possessions to be accepted in the monastery. I'm pretty sure he'll do well but that's a heck of a transition to make. He was a heavy rock and roller and loved the women.
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Lee,

Mine is an air cooled twin!
Best bike I ever had was an air cooled twin as well.

Now to get back to binos: packed away in the panniers were a pair of 1971 Swift Audubons and a pair of 1972 Swift Saratoga 8x40s. We were on our way to the Shetland Islands and the Swifts did not like the rain there....

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as the old song really means

if you are not with the binocular (or whatever) you love, then love the one you're with

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Andy I wish it were that easy. Last week I had a rare bird alert for a white-faced ibis right down the road from me...6-8 miles or so. So I grabbed the camera and I THOUGHT the SV 10X50 and headed out quickly before work. Well I left the SV at home and I was like no problem because I have the Vanguard Endeavor ED 8X42 ALWAYS in the truck. WRONG. In looking for some vehicle registration papers for income tax I cleaned out BOTH glove boxes in the truck, what was left was probably a 15 year old Minox 8X32....it WORKED but it wasn't fun! I was still thankful it was in there though!
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Life can be very tough at times. That's why at our age we need to rest often.
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Andy I wish it were that easy. Last week I had a rare bird alert for a white-faced ibis right down the road from me...6-8 miles or so. So I grabbed the camera and I THOUGHT the SV 10X50 and headed out quickly before work. Well I left the SV at home and I was like no problem because I have the Vanguard Endeavor ED 8X42 ALWAYS in the truck. WRONG. In looking for some vehicle registration papers for income tax I cleaned out BOTH glove boxes in the truck, what was left was probably a 15 year old Minox 8X32....it WORKED but it wasn't fun! I was still thankful it was in there though!

Tax time is the one that I am glad got away (over with), now for the great spring weather.
How does the heat down there in the summer affect the glass in the truck. Up here in Delaware, even with the windows open slightly, way too hot in the summer for glass storage.

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Tax time is the one that I am glad got away (over with), now for the great spring weather.
How does the heat down there in the summer affect the glass in the truck. Up here in Delaware, even with the windows open slightly, way too hot in the summer for glass storage.

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Well you can imagine how hot it gets HERE!

I don't leave every binocular in the truck/car year around. The Minox 8X32 was purchased for exactly that reason. The sucker works as perfectly today as it did new. It's a MIJ model. The Vanguard Endeavor ED II has basically been in my truck since I got it for the most part. The truck is 100% outside BTW. The EDII functions perfectly....as new. So both of those have been in low teens to well into the 100s for long periods of time. So no issues with either so far!
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A few months ago I was on the Cabela’s website and they were closing out the previous version of the Meopta Euro 10x32 for $299! I immediately pressed the add to cart button and the message out of stock came up 😢 since that time I’ve noticed plenty of them on brand new on EBay and other sites for double that amount or more. Go figure!
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