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Old Wednesday 26th September 2018, 16:15   #26
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What is the advantage going ff mirrorless for bird photography as long lenses seem to be either scarce or expensive (or both) for those camera's from Panasonic, Sony, Olympus and pentax? + you have less reach with FF?
A circa ~50MP FF is pretty much the same resolution as current DX's. It's only processing power, heat dissipation, and cost that is required to equal a high speed Pro DX. The issues are technically solvable, and the processing power increases (and costs reduce) according to Moore's law. Plans are already on the propeller head's drawing boards for ~70MP and even100MP+ FF.

True that those new entrants to the FF mirrorless market don't have affordable native long lenses, but already a day after the official announcement, I have read of EF to L mount adapters from fourth party's.

Also true is that these new FF mirrorless offerings aren't drastically solving the weight issue - I think we will have to look to Diffractive Optics lenses or high $ for that ...... maybe both !

I think the big advantages will be in higher frame rates, silent operation eventually, ultimately better AF (with AI) and video, IBIS, and lower production cost.

For the moment though, this explosion of FF mirrorless offerings should be good for prosumer landscapers, travellers/ bloggers, videographers, and as general low light walkabout street cams, not to mention first adopters ! ...... importantly it also stops your existing (or potential) customers walking away to greener pastures .....



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For the moment though, this explosion of FF mirrorless offerings should be good for prosumer landscapers, travellers/ bloggers, videographers, and as general low light walkabout street cams
Early on in this thread (when everything was still speculation) I said something similar. The one part where I disagree: for a traveler, I think smaller sensor generally is better due to weight issues.

There is a lot of hype the last couple of years that I do not think is quite born out in reality: most of those who buys a new camera are not good enough with processing etc to really benefit from a FF camera anyway. But a company has to react to the costumer demand, even if that demand is somewhat driven by hype ...

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Old Wednesday 26th September 2018, 18:09   #28
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What is the advantage going ff mirrorless for bird photography as long lenses seem to be either scarce or expensive (or both) for those camera's from Panasonic, Sony, Olympus and pentax? + you have less reach with FF?
If the next version of Sigma 800/5.6 is made for the L-mount and IQ and price level is similar to the 500/4 Sports, things might get interesting.
Imagine a 800mm/f5.6 on FF for half the price of Nikon/Canon equivalents but with similar image quality and no issues with camera compatibility. Or a 600/4 perhaps.
That might get some wild life shooters interested.
But that really sounds pretty far fetched...
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I have not seen this animal but I have seen a 300-800 zoom from sigma IRL. The lens took one backpack, and the camera another. Not my cup of tea!

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Exclamation Release of Panasonic FF Mirrorless 24MP 'S1' and '47' MP S1R ..... "Close"

It seems we will soon know how good these Panasonic FF Mirrorless debutants are .....
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/65...n-the-industry

If ever there was a company that could take it up to Sony --- it is Panasonic (even if they may be using many Sony components ... lol :)

CaNikon had better watch their backs!

I have no doubt Panasonic will do an excellent job. The only question is how will their AF system compare with the beige EOS R, Z6/Z7, and indeed the leading DSLR models, and even the a9 ...... ???

I wonder if they also have a 60-75MP planned for release before the Olympics like the other two/ three ......




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It seems we will soon know how good these Panasonic FF Mirrorless debutants are .....
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/65...n-the-industry

If ever there was a company that could take it up to Sony --- it is Panasonic (even if they may be using many Sony components ... lol :)

CaNikon had better watch their backs!

I have no doubt Panasonic will do an excellent job. The only question is how will their AF system compare with the beige EOS R, Z6/Z7, and indeed the leading DSLR models, and even the a9 ...... ???

I wonder if they also have a 60-75MP planned for release before the Olympics like the other two/ three ......


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I'm sure that current Lumix users might be excited, but the smaller form factor of the MFT system (lenses) is lost, so to me it's an marketing equation that's not simple.

Single point AF is already fast in Panasonic cams, probably faster than Nikon.
Until there are any longer lenses for action shooters, AF-C will be improved.
Having no PD-AF in video is a bigger problem, even though it has been improved and works pretty OK in the G9/GH5.
More AI and faster processors will make it even better I guess.

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Old Monday 7th January 2019, 17:05   #32
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Pana press conference from CES starting soon:

https://www.43rumors.com/you-can-fol...as-vegas-time/

Not much news, built in HDR mode (stored in a special format/file type) and also HighRes mode (8 shots).

Available at the end of March 2019.

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