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Old Friday 25th October 2019, 11:38   #51
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Wink A picture tells a 1000 words ......

With the closing of the Uluru climb to tourists, these pictures give a unique indigenous perspective

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As usual, the anti colonial theme continues and moves increasingly away from conservation.

It wouldn't be the first of threads to be removed to RF which is where it now belongs IMHO.
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As usual, the anti colonial theme continues and moves increasingly away from conservation.

..... IMHO.
I disagree entirely. "anti colonial theme" is purely your interpretation and I wonder if it says more about your mindset than it does any of the content of this thread?

I thought the drawing I last posted perfectly illustrated one of the points of the thread - that of a philosophical and worldview difference leading to different management actions and societal organization. What are your thoughts on that? What did you think of the photo showing the track worn into Uluru by umpteen footprints 'conquering' the summit?

I quite like your avatar picture of the Shoebill, but I find your opinion uninformed. Right from your very first post in this thread you have displayed a lack of understanding, and I have to wonder if you have actually read through any of the informative material posted as links in this thread. Joost was even kind enough to post the original research paper in full for us. I do not understand why you seem so resistant to any learnings from the material presented.

People that are part of the land <-> Land that is part of the people.
The health of one determines the health of the other.

I have to ask - how are conservation efforts working out worldwide? Effective? Making progress? Halting the inevitable slide? Really, how is it going? Pass mark?
Give it a score out of ten.
What about space junk? What's the philosophy behind that?

I am happy to hear all points of view, but if you don't want to engage constructively, or learn anything new, then kindly leave the thread to those who do. Thanks.





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Angry An Indian mining conglomerate is eating up a sacred forest grove

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What did you think of the photo showing the track worn into Uluru by umpteen footprints 'conquering' the summit?
Just to comment on one question you posed CJ. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of similar examples of human erosion tracks on natural formations, throughout the world. England has some such as in the Yorkshire Dales where a huge footfall occurs for the same reasons I guess....stunning view, exercise, "conquering" a wish or ambition, perhaps a lifetime dream. However, it is open for everyone though degradation is evident. It is a National Park. Inhabitants who never left their village, lie buried in the church cemeteries.
As a boy over 50 years ago I saw photos of Uluru and thoughts of seeing it, visiting Australia were fired. Sadly, never made it that far.

So, my thoughts and subsequent question, is it (Uluru) different and singularly exclusive to other similar sacred places from your perspective?

Another question arises. Would this move have occurred if it wasn't classed as an UNESCO World Heritage Site?

I dont have the answers, just keep finding more questions?

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Was this post typical and representative of the communities? I hope not.


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A curse will fall on all of them. They will remember how they defiled this sacred place until they die & history will record their contempt for Aboriginal culture
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Pyrtle, people loving places of natural beauty to death has long been a problem the world over, and I think that thin end of the wedge applies everywhere too. All places are sacred ( you never know whose head you might be walking on ! :) , though I suspect whether they are viewed as such is a matter of perspective.

As far as any UNESCO World Heritage Listing goes, I'm not sure it's worth a cracker. For example the Blue Mountains National Park on the edge of Sydney will now be subject to impacts from a 24/7 International airport at Badgery's Creek which the Government (all, and both sides) has approved. This is despite the final flight paths not having been designed in detail yet. This sitiation is complete and utter bs, yet it doesn't end there. There is also a proposal to raise the Warragamba Dam wall by some 14m which will flood vast tracts of riparian flats (with threatened Cabbage Gum communities) well back into the National Park. These are also a critical resource for the threatened Regent Honeyeater. Again complete and utter bs. The supposed reason is water security for the city - but the real reason is to facilitate thousands of new residential blocks on the floodplain. Another move that can only be made by mental giants in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

So herein lays the crux of the problem. First world country, UNESCO World Heritage Areas, supposedly robust Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation laws - and the whole thing is not worth a cracker .........

The rape of this country is out of control. I shudder to think what an updated bird survey over the Murray-Darling Basin would show now if the previous work showed a 70% decline, and that was before the devastating drought of the last 2 years and ongoing 'criminal' water diversions and extractions of both surface and ground water. I also shudder to think what the coming predicted hot dry summer will bring on top of millions of fish deaths last summer (including century old cod). Could an area the size of France and Germany become an extinction wasteland?

To this add mining impacts in WA, and QLD (threatening groundwater and wetland spring systems of a Great Barrier Reef catchment), along with fracking in the NT.

It is against this environmental catastrophe and ongoing issues of justice and Sovereignty that Aboriginal people view events in the country. The acknowledgement of the Anangu tribe's wishes not to climb Uluru is therefore seen as a small step in the right direction.

Professor Marcia Langton is well respected, has been immersed in Indigenous issues for decades and usually quite measured in what she says and how it is expressed - though she is a straight shooter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcia_Langton

I believe the comment you quoted was in response to the surge in visitors seeking to climb Uluru before it closed - particularly in the last day or two. They do seem unusually forthright - I don't know the entire exact context, but I suppose decades of frustration could lead to something like that.

Over the years there has been a widespread 'return' of rocks etc that tourists from all over the world have 'souvenired' when they find they are plagued by 'bad luck'. Literally "lessons from stone" as per the link I posted in post#39 https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/...kxegUeczMig-lU




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Prytle, interesting article on Rapa Nui (Easter Island) - some hypotheses attempting to explain the mysteries, modern day tourism impact, and universal lessons learned.
https://www.history101.com/orig/the-...I9GIlqqPfQRMEw

I remember as a kid watching re-runs of a show on Tele called "Mysteries of the Unexplained" or something like that - narrated by Leonard Nimoy (not sure if Carl Sagan also used to pop up too) - I remember being fascinated by all things mysterious including the 'Heads' of Easter Island ......
[EDIT] It was a series called "In Search of" I always remember being transfixed by Leonard Nimoy's voice
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8Y2sFB6Y0
...... brings back memories of watching this with my Dad and him letting me look through his books on The World's Mysteries, and The Dreamtime .....




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", hurt her and we hurt ourselves, "

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Thumbs up "It Is Our Very Governments That Are Killing The Earth"

Wisdom from Indigenous South Americans and their observations on Climate that the destruction of the forest has wrought .....
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Old Wednesday 4th December 2019, 03:23   #61
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Angry It's ......

Arrrgh ! When are we going to get it?!

It's NOT the climate ...... it's Soylent Green

IT'S PEOPLE !!

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Exclamation Caring for Country should be a sustainability and green design priority

"Instead of asking how to house tens of thousands more people in Western Sydney, in light of rising temperatures and land depletion, we should be asking if more people should be living there."

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Angry The colonial logic behind Australia Day is a worldwide concern

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When are the mods going to move this thread to RF?
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When are the mods going to move this thread to RF?
Why should this be going to RF?

It's not about any kind of personal vitriol, but Chosun highlighting conservation issues (albeit with some kind of historical racial slant at times and in her own particular style).

Have to admit I broadly agree with the majority of the issues highlighted and their causes. Western society and capitalist values are screwing the planet. Doesn't really matter that if it wasn't the 'western ideals' it would have quite probably been some other culture which did so at some point.

This thread may be a bit Aussie-centric, but that is kind of implicit.
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Why should this be going to RF?

It's not about any kind of personal vitriol, but Chosun highlighting conservation issues ....

Have to admit I broadly agree with the majority of the issues highlighted and their causes. Western society and capitalist values are screwing the planet. Doesn't really matter that if it wasn't the 'western ideals' it would have quite probably been some other culture which did so at some point ....
Thanks DTM - that's exactly the point.

At this present time this particular country is drained of water, dug up, and on fire .... all for profit. This is despite being a 'first-world' country, desite having a green and environmental movement pretty much as good as any other in the world, despite having environmental protection laws that are better than those in the majority of the world, and despite being governed by a so-called 'democratic' system and rule of law. Why?

It's like cutting off all your digits and limbs one by one and selling them for the profit of today ..... hardly a long term strategy for prosperous sustainable survival .....

Andy .... if you have something on topic to contribute then please do so - otherwise quit trolling my threads.





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Exclamation The Rapid Decline Of The Natural World Is A Crisis Even Bigger Than Climate Change

https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entr...j7RZ5QQq_m_K9A

"A three-year UN-backed study from the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform On Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services has grim implications for the future of humanity."

" Nature is in freefall and the planet’s support systems are so stretched that we face widespread species extinctions ...."

"The felling of forests, the over-exploitation of seas and soils, and the pollution of air and water are together driving the living world to the brink,"

"... tens of thousands of species are at high risk of extinction, how countries are using nature at a rate that far exceeds its ability to renew itself,

""We are at a crossroads. The historic and current degradation and destruction of nature undermine human well-being for current and countless future generations,” ..... “Land degradation, biodiversity loss and climate change are three different faces of the same central challenge: the increasingly dangerous impact of our choices on the health of our natural environment.”

"Indigenous communities often know best how to conserve nature ...."
“What surprised me the most about this study was that it became clear that the older cultures, like the indigenous peoples of the Americas, have different values which protect nature better [than Western societies],”"


"Ultimately, Watson concludes that saving nature will require a major rethink of how we live and how we think about nature,"







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Settler nations have failed as care-takers of nature. It's time for a new approach.

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Exclamation To address the ecological crisis, Aboriginal peoples must be restored as custodians

https://theconversation.com/to-addre...yLVWEepVmtueE4

"In the wake of devastating bushfires across the country, and with the prospect of losing a billion animals and some entire species, transformational change is required in the way we interact with this land."

"The devastation was caused by the gross mismanagement ...... by those in power – a destruction wrought through greed."

"First Peoples have a relationship with Country that is loving, reciprocal and engaged. This “kincentric” relationship includes custodianship obligations – often lacking within non-Indigenous views of Country. Instead of being seen as kin – something to be cared for, listened to, deeply respected and nurtured – Country is seen by many non-Indigneous people as a resource to be exploited and controlled."





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Question When conservation provides a cover for anti-Indigenous sentiments

Do any of our US correspondents have any context or conservation data to add in relation to these environs, or indeed the push for energy resources by current political forces .... ?

https://www.hcn.org/articles/tribal-...ECTSAy5DEWLh50
"A nation of laws cannot exist on stolen land."


30 million acres of public land in Alaska at risk of being developed or transferred:
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Honestly - how the heck is this even a thing ..... ?

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