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Old Monday 18th August 2008, 18:29   #1
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I would like to accomplish the following.

1. Remove the redundant category "British Isles." Our structure runs: Europe>UK>England, Scotland, Wales, etc.
It's probably easiest for the user to put the Channel Islands and Man under UK, but I'm willing to listen if anyone wants to insist that they are technically separate and should thus be in Category:Europe.

2. Move this entire page to the top of Category: Channel Islands.

3. Set up a disambig page to distinguish the Channel Islands that include Guernsey and Jersey from the Channel Islands where you might find an Island Scrub Jay.

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Old Monday 18th August 2008, 18:42   #2
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Oh yuk!

That was me put British Isles. mmmm can't remember what the status is of the Channel Islands now but um... have a feeling that they're not part of the UK and didn't want to upset anyone.

Actually due to this, how's about dropping 'UK' as a category and having British Isles instead?

I'll leave #2 & 3 for the more knowledgeable to answer

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Old Monday 18th August 2008, 22:51   #3
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I definitely agree on the third point

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Old Tuesday 19th August 2008, 12:28   #4
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You are right they are not part of the UK but along wiht the Isle of Man are British Crown dependencies, they have their own legislation powers but are not Soverign nations in their own right, not part of the EU but they are all British Citizens - all very complex and probably does not help you with your dilemma.

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Oh yuk!

That was me put British Isles. mmmm can't remember what the status is of the Channel Islands now but um... have a feeling that they're not part of the UK and didn't want to upset anyone.

Actually due to this, how's about dropping 'UK' as a category and having British Isles instead?

I'll leave #2 & 3 for the more knowledgeable to answer

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Old Tuesday 19th August 2008, 13:47   #5
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I guess no one outside the UK knows that they are not part of it I would put them in the category UK and skip British Isles. This would be consistent with the rest of Europe.
I perfectly agree with your third point.

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Old Tuesday 19th August 2008, 14:13   #6
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Interesting geo-political issue!

The Channel Islands, whilst "British", are, of course, much closer geographically to France. It therefore might seem odd to include them under "British Isles" or "UK", on the basis that its residents are British citizens. For comparison, take a French island in the Caribbean (e.g. Martinique) - that's hardly likely to be categorised for geo-scientific purposes as "France" or "Europe" simply because the islanders are French citizens. And the birds are probably unaware of the politics involved!

My preference would be to place the CI under Europe.

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Oh dear, maybe the old English-French rivalry is back.
David, we are talking about a distance of 150km, not thousands of km! Of course, the islands are closer to the mainland of France, but they are not so far away from England. With this logic we should also place Corsica under Europe, not under France (it's much closer to Italy). Also Lesvos or Rhodos. They are much closer to Turkey than to mainland Greece. So they should be under Asia perhaps....

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Good point Wintibird. You've made the case for putting the CI under France

I would never haved dared to do that for fear of stirring up hostilities entre les deux!

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Whilst I think that British Isles is the best category for the Channel Isles to be in, as it is the proper geographical grouping, I think leaving (moving) them in (to) the UK category will make for a more streamlined feel to Opus. The bulk of the world takes 'British Isles' and 'United Kingdom' to be synonyms anyway.
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