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Old Monday 17th February 2020, 06:07   #1
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Please help me identify this small brown bird?

I saw this small bird in the trees in Ixtapa, Mexico 2 weeks ago. I see it is overall brown, with a white eyebrow.
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Old Monday 17th February 2020, 07:59   #2
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Looks like a House Wren (Troglodytes aedon) to me.
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Old Monday 17th February 2020, 08:34   #3
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Definitely a wren - note the banded tail.

I'd have to double-check what other wrens can be found there, but House Wren looks like a good fit for the picture.
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Old Monday 17th February 2020, 08:43   #4
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The supercillium looks too strong for a House Wren to me. Looks fairly good for a Bewick's Wren to me, but I'm not sure if that's in range (there seem to be several 'Ixtapa's' in Mexico) or if there are other possible confusion species.
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I was thinking Bewick's too from that white eyebrow. But yes, where in Mexico, please?
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Old Tuesday 18th February 2020, 03:13   #6
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Ixtapa is just north of Acapulco, on the Pacific coast.
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Old Tuesday 18th February 2020, 03:16   #7
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Maybe White-bellied Wren? What do you think, it's found in the Ixtapa area on the West Coast of Mexico.
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Old Tuesday 18th February 2020, 09:59   #8
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Any more pics, however bad? Hard to judge shape at this angle, and it would be good if that stick wasn't in the way of its face. Could you describe the habitat a bit more precisely? We should be able to get this one...
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Old Tuesday 18th February 2020, 13:07   #9
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Ixtapa is just north of Acapulco, on the Pacific coast. .... Maybe White-bellied Wren? What do you think, it's found in the Ixtapa area on the West Coast of Mexico.

Thanks! White-bellied Wren is very short-tailed, which doesn't fit your bird. Checked through all the other wrens and Bewick's Wren is by far the best fit; this is mapped as only occuring inland at higher altitudes in this part of Mexico, but it could be winter dispersal to the coast.
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Bewick's Wren for me too
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Old Wednesday 19th February 2020, 00:01   #11
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Thanks! White-bellied Wren is very short-tailed, which doesn't fit your bird. Checked through all the other wrens and Bewick's Wren is by far the best fit; this is mapped as only occuring inland at higher altitudes in this part of Mexico, but it could be winter dispersal to the coast.
That's strange. The tail of the OP's bird struck me as very short.
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I can not make this into a Bewick's from this pic... tail is way too short. So I would think White-bellied, but I can not eliminate a House solely from this pic. Any other pics would certainly help.
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Old Wednesday 19th February 2020, 08:48   #13
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Depends on how strongly cocked up the tail is - if only a little, then it's long and very foreshortened, if strongly, then it's not foreshortened and shorter. But the pic of White-bellied in HBW gives it an even shorter tail than this bird is showing assuming the tail is held vertical with no foreshortening.
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Old Wednesday 19th February 2020, 18:45   #14
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I'm in the Bewick's camp. That tail looks too long for a white-tailed, and the white super and clean white breast is not right for House Wren, especially in Mexico.
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I can not make this into a Bewick's from this pic... tail is way too short. So I would think White-bellied, but I can not eliminate a House solely from this pic. Any other pics would certainly help.
WHOA... yesterday I was actually not looking at this pic correctly. That being said, I still think it is a White-bellied Wren... but DEFINITELY not a House Wren.
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See the White-bellied Wren pic at HBW to see just how ridiculously short its tail is - I really can't fit that with the photo in this thread!
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See the White-bellied Wren pic at HBW to see just how ridiculously short its tail is - I really can't fit that with the photo in this thread!
Have you looked at photos of White-bellied Wrens? https://search.macaulaylibrary.org/c...%20leucogastra
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Have you looked at photos of White-bellied Wrens? https://search.macaulaylibrary.org/c...%20leucogastra
Have to confess I hadn't - but looking at them now, it has a strikingly long and heavy bill compared to Bewick's - it wouldn't be able to hide that behind the slender twig the way the OP's bird has.
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