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Old Wednesday 9th January 2019, 01:33   #1
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Question Small bush birds - Brisbane

Have seen these for the first time.
Were moving in a playful fashion amongst dense forestation, so excuse the quality of pictures. Assuming both birds are the same species, but I may be wrong.
Any ideas on what these are?
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Old Wednesday 9th January 2019, 09:03   #2
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I would think the first one is female Leaden Flycatcher. The second one is a different species, I think, and I regret that little brown jobs in Australia are beyond such competence as I have.
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Old Wednesday 9th January 2019, 09:29   #3
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Agree with Leaden Flycatcher for #1 (with the caveat that a similar sp might be in range, in which case habitat could be a clue). #2 is hard from the blurred image, but maybe a gerygone, though it is perhaps a bit bulky? again habitat could be a good clue.
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Old Wednesday 9th January 2019, 10:43   #4
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habitat: swampy forest with plenty of tall and small trees. These were captured in a same spot right next to the water edge.
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habitat: swampy forest with plenty of tall and small trees. These were captured in a same spot right next to the water edge.
was it coastal, and any more pics of the 2nd bird?
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Is the second one a Jacky Winter?
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Is the second one a Jacky Winter?
sounds good
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Jacky Winter?
Six trips to Australia, and quite a long list - five species of Fairy-wren, for example - but still have never seen one of this 'common, very widespread' species.
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Old Wednesday 9th January 2019, 17:37   #9
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Six trips to Australia, and quite a long list - five species of Fairy-wren, for example - but still have never seen one of this 'common, very widespread' species.
I was also surprised not to find Jacky Winters popping out of every bush in the land of Oz. Maybe it's something about the homely sounding name too, that makes you think they're gonna be common (like Willie Wagtail, which is common)

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Only managed to see one when I was there in 2013
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Leaden Flycatcher and Large-billed Gerygone, you can see the eye cresecents
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Leaden Flycatcher and Large-billed Gerygone, you can see the eye cresecents
Aha, now the posture and choice of perch makes more sense! should have stuck with my initial hunch
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Large-billed idea works, but I would like to suggest both birds are Broad-billed Flycatchers male + female!
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Large-billed idea works, but I would like to suggest both birds are Broad-billed Flycatchers male + female!
1. According to my book, Broad-billed Flycatcher doesn't get outside the far north of Queensland - nowhere near Brisbane at all.

2. The female and the male of this species are similar to each other, and similar to female Leaden Flycatcher, so your second bird couldn't be the female of Broad-billed.
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Old Thursday 10th January 2019, 11:52   #15
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I looked at this image
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~g...lycatcher.html

Large-billed gerygones common distribution area also finishes about the same as broad-billed flycatchers (Mackay is some 900kms north from Brisbane)...
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Interesting image, but it's of a bird in south america.

The first bird is a monarch flycatcher, and must surely be Leaden (though with an image as unclear as this, Satin might be a possibility on migration). Broad-billed is out of range.

For the other bird, well spotted, it does look as though Large-billed Gerygone is out of range too. I'm still not sure about that one, maybe it is a Jacky Winter after all, as I do think it looks too bulky for a gerygone. It's 3 Billion per cent certain that it isn't a monarch flycatcher, and is only very distantly related to the first bird.
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Overwhelming probability of it being Leaden Fly at that site;
Good point about Large-billed, I should have checked where you were, so try Brown Gerygone, seems to fit pretty well
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Agree with Leaden Flycatcher for first.

Did we get a confirmation (or not!) of whether site was coastal or not? It looks quite pale for a Brown Gerygone to me, Mangrove is a possible.
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Old Friday 11th January 2019, 13:59   #19
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site name is Mookin-bah (Lota, Brisbane area)
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Lota is a good site for Mangrove Gerygone. so i think we have a winner.....
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well, that was a one bird investigation!
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Just for completion, here is the bar charts output of birds from that location: https://ebird.org/barchart?r=L3807542&yr=all&m=

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