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Old Sunday 18th December 2011, 18:14   #1
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'Antifreeze'

I've just been told of this product ..................

http://www.dobbies.com/Chapelwood-No...eze/pid-410839

I'd welcome comments about it's safety etc.
Does anyone here use it ?
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Old Sunday 18th December 2011, 18:18   #2
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I'd sure like to know what is in it first.

A quick search on Google didn't provide any ingredients.
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Old Sunday 18th December 2011, 22:00   #3
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I wouldn't trust it at all. Maybe they haven't observed any ill effects on the birds (yet?), but I'd be wary of putting yet another random chemical into the environment, especially doing so by feeding it directly to birds at their weakest.
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Old Monday 19th December 2011, 01:33   #4
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From what I've read on the subject so far, it's most likely glycerin or some glycerin compound. that and food based coloring is my guess. Cornell labs recommends against such anti-freezes in bird baths.

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/Page.aspx?pid=1144

"Never add antifreeze to the birdbath—it is poisonous to all animals, including birds. Some people use glycerin as a makeshift antifreeze in birdbaths, but we do not recommend it. Glycerin is a low-level toxin—if birds drink too much, it raises their blood sugar so much that they may die. Furthermore, when birds bathe in glycerin-spiked water, their feathers can become saturated and matted, providing poor insulation and leaving them susceptible to hypothermia."

I'd stay clear of it as well.
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Old Monday 19th December 2011, 13:08   #5
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I have emailed them to find out. Will let you know if they reply :)

Had a reply already! They say it is a non-toxic plant extract that prevents the water from freezing, but can't say what for commercial reasons.

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Old Tuesday 27th December 2011, 17:41   #6
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Interesting. I do feel a bit cynical though. I wonder if it has been tested extensively?
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boiling water

You could just try using boiling water to defrost the ice as recommended by stephanie donaldson on her gardening blog.
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They say it is a non-toxic plant extract that prevents the water from freezing, but can't say what for commercial reasons.
Just because it is naturally-occurring and non-toxic doesn't mean it won't be detrimental to birds' feathers. I'd still avoid it unless they can tell you exactly what it is so you can independently verify that it won't be harmful.
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