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Old Saturday 29th December 2018, 23:08   #1
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A few Norwegians for identification

All taken on a walk round a forested loch in the mountains above Hell! Early August.

1: a flower with a Bumblebee and a (I presume) Hoverfly on it. If anyone can name the flower that would be a bonus (is it a form of scabious?)

2 & 3: These are much harder and may not be possible from these images (but I've nothing better). My first ever attempt at getting one in flight, but the sun was against me.
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Old Sunday 30th December 2018, 00:52   #2
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1- The flower is devil's bit or field scabious with the first one being more common in Norway.
The hoverfly is Syrphus sp. (or Parasyrphus sp.)
2 - Coenagrion sp. or Enallagma cyathigerum
3 - unidentifiable but I would lean towards some sort of hawker
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Thanks so much for your help with these Max.
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Old Sunday 30th December 2018, 15:21   #4
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Bumblebee looks like Bombus pascuorum in 1.
I don't think the other 2 photos show enough to give precise IDs.
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Bumblebee looks like Bombus pascuorum in 1.
I don't think the other 2 photos show enough to give precise IDs.
Thanks Aeshna. I thought the two dragons were a very long shot.

If you want more clarification on the bumblebee, Here's another picture showing his backside a bit more clearly perhaps.
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The dragonfly in flight could be a female Brown Hawker - it's certainly a female, it has the jizz of Brown Hawker and by taking a few details out of the shadows it looks (a bit) like a Brown Hawker - but as others have said best left as Hawker sp.
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Thanks for trying guys.

I have another from that day that I've just found, think this one may be possible to ID.

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Male Aeshna juncea/subarctica (I'd prefer a side view or better view of the back of the head to ID with 100% certainty).


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Thanks Max. Sorry couldn't do any better than that. He was up on a house wall and that was as close as I could get without actually going on to their porch (not brave enough to do that on a stranger's property!)
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Sorry couldn't do any better than that. He was up on a house wall and that was as close as I could get without actually going on to their porch (not brave enough to do that on a stranger's property!)
Something that happens to me quite often, especially with dragonflies and moths


Aeshna subarctica/juncea are a pair of species that are very similar compared to other European dragonflies. The most visible differences (at least for males) are that A. juncea has a yellow spot behind the head and a smaller sized patch between the two main stripes on the thorax. I'm not sure how dark your photo is so I don't know if there's a spot behind the head.

I've attached two pictures from wazki.pl, the first one showing A. juncea and the second A. subarctica. Maybe that will help if you remember the insect or have a lighter picture?
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Hi Max

Sorry, I've only just now had time to study your post and attachments. Thank you so much for all the trouble you've been to.

I've just lightened the original picture, but can't make out any more detail, certainly not the spot behind the head.
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Something that happens to me quite often, especially with dragonflies and moths


Aeshna subarctica/juncea are a pair of species that are very similar compared to other European dragonflies. The most visible differences (at least for males) are that A. juncea has a yellow spot behind the head and a smaller sized patch between the two main stripes on the thorax. I'm not sure how dark your photo is so I don't know if there's a spot behind the head.

I've attached two pictures from wazki.pl, the first one showing A. juncea and the second A. subarctica. Maybe that will help if you remember the insect or have a lighter picture?
Doing this from memory but subarctica, supposedly brown not yellow costa, both attached images seem to show yellow costa so this sin't a reliable feature?

I'm aware of this yellow spot from a thread I started earlier this year.

I've been hoping to find subarctica on my patch in Russia, no luck so far.
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Doing this from memory but subarctica, supposedly brown not yellow costa, both attached images seem to show yellow costa so this sin't a reliable feature?

I'm aware of this yellow spot from a thread I started earlier this year.

I've been hoping to find subarctica on my patch in Russia, no luck so far.
I wouldn't say that the colour of the costa is a deciding feature. I've been lucky enough to see one A. subarctica which also had a dull yellow costa (sadly no picture). It's probably a feature that differs depending on age and distribution.

Another A. subarctica from Poland with a yellowish costa:
http://www.wazki.pl/z/wazki_aeshna_s..._Ignatowka.jpg
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