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Old Wednesday 28th March 2018, 07:43   #26
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It could be worth trying to find the occupation of Bernard Abeillé. Could he possibly have been a Mariner? If so, it could, would, might explain how a local doctor in Bordeaux could assemble such a large collection of exotic birds...
Wouldn't his father be very old in 1844. I ask as Grégoire Abeillé was born in 1798. So I assume Bernard Abeillé was born more or less around 20 years earlier.

It looks like he may have been returning 1833 from La Novelle France here. New France here.

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Old Wednesday 28th March 2018, 07:48   #27
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Good point, but do we know that Grégoire was the first-born Son?

And what says that the specimen was collected close to the description?

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PS. Martin, your added first link, from 1833 (simultaneously posted, as I was writing the above) clearly tells us that Bernard is a surname! Thereby I think we can forget the Abeillé on this/his part. That is, of course, if he was the same guy (as in the OD, of 1844). Well, either way, I will leave him here, in the dusk.

Bernard ... un capitaine de la marine ... over and out!

PPS. But it was worth a try!
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Old Wednesday 28th March 2018, 08:40   #28
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3. Navire "IMPERATRICE EUGENIE", capitaine BERNARD,
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Old Wednesday 28th March 2018, 08:51   #29
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Well, even if not related, with such a track record (Calcutta, Rio de Janeiro, Martinique, Jamaica, Singapore, Saigon ...), I assume Captain Bernard was a very usefull contact to Dr. Abeillé.

More than this, who he was? I haven't got a clue.

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PS. I´m glad I didn´t toss in the Mother of Grégoire Abeillé as yet another possible candidatee (among all the other ladies named Marie) for the synonym "T. [Trochilus] Mariæ" a k a "C. [Colibri] de Marie". That would have stirred things up even worse! ...
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Not wanting to be nit-picky, but La Nouvelle France, in this first link, is the name of the ship, not that of its place of origin. A ship that is there said (under 'Arrivals)' to have reached Bombay (now Mumbai) from Bordeaux on 2 Jan, and then (under 'Departures') to have left Bombay for Allepee (now Alappuzha?) on 20 Jan.

'Bernard', as a name, may be a bit too common to be much confident that two mentions of a 'Capitaine Bernard' must refer to the same person, I think.
(Note that in the very same journal that reports (June 1833 issue) about a Capitaine Bernard leaving Bombay on 20 Jan on the ship La Nouvelle France [here], a Capitaine Bernard is also reported (July 1833 issue) to have left Calcutta (now Kolkata) for Havre de Grace (now Le Havre) on 22 Jan on the ship Irma [here]. To reach Calcutta from Bombay with a ship (sailing all the way round the point of S India) is > 3000 km, this was definitely not doable in two days. Thus, if these data are correct, we may have two 'Capitaine Bernard' on two different ships in this document alone.)

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Just to close the trail:
Bernard Abeillé died in Eysines on 14 Jan 1848 and, according to his death record ([here]; in the first box (Cote), enter: 4 E 7043/3 ; click Valider; open the file (under Accès); go to image 3/18), he was a former surgeon (ancien chirurgien).
Not at all a capitaine de la marine du commerce de Bordeaux, thus.
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This is one of the hardest bird etymologies I researched!! Thank you all, this thread was very useful

I tried to find another information through searching about naturalist societies in Bordeaux by the date of description of the birds with the abeillei eponym without any result.

It also seems quite interesting that the majority of the birds related with the "Abeillei family" were described by Lesson
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Old Friday 8th February 2019, 15:33   #33
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Indeed it looks like Lesson had access to the collection of Grégoire Abeillé.

Nice that you are back in this forum. Just a question. Any progress on Pipilo ocai or Goulds Oca's Hummingbird Amazilia ocai one of the hardest bird etymologies I researched. No idea how to find birth and death dates in Mexico in a very turbulent time period.

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Alberto, welcome back ... the same goes for the eponym in the Rose-bellied Bunting Passerina rositae [a k a rositafink (in Swedish); i.e. Rosalía "Rosita" Sumichrast née Nivon (who died in 1891), Mexican wife of François Sumichrast], a lady that we earlier dealt with (from November 2016, until March 2017) in thread About the name of Passerina rositae (here).

With hope of not being tedious alt. nagging: Any progress on finding her birth?

Grateful for any reply (... in either thread).

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Hello, I'm sad to say that I have no progress to find either Montes de Oca or Rosalía information :( For Montes de Oca biographical data I need to get access to the local church archives (that has proved to be complicated)

And for Rosalía I need to travel to the area in order to get first-hand information.

I hope that in next months I'll obtain more information about Rosalía, Montes de Oca remains as a mistery
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