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Old Saturday 18th July 2015, 20:57   #1
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Canon SX70 .... September

Just when I was seriously considering the Nikon P900 I hear rumours that Canon will be beefing up the SX60 with the even more mega zoom SX70 HS*in* September. That it may even have a 100X zoom seems utterly OTT given pundits opining that Nikon's "x83" is at the limit .....

Given the long wait for the Nikon, it might be worth giving it another couple of months before deciding to jump ....

http://thenewcamera.com/tag/canon-sx70-hs/
http://thenewcamera.com/another-100x...nt-from-canon/
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Old Sunday 23rd September 2018, 09:10   #2
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The Canon SX70HS has arrived. here are the specs

http://thenewcamera.com/canon-sx70-h...specification/
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I'm looking forward to the hands on reviews and the user manual posted.

My three SX50's have all developed issues.

I tried and returned the SX60 for several reasons. One was that it was much larger and heavier than the the Sx50. The other was that the Image Stabelization was inferior to the SX50.

It looks like while the SX70 is larger and heavier then the SX50, it's smaller and lighter than the SX60.

I'm looking forward to reports on the Image stabelization and also if it has the SX50 style 1.5 and 2x teleconverters and if they can be set to a wildcard button like they can on the SX50.

I did try the Nikon P900 and absolutely despised it.

I hope that the SX70 is a good upgrade or replacement for my old SX50's.
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So Canon has the product up on their website and can pre-order but no user manual yet that I can find.
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Old Wednesday 26th September 2018, 12:44   #5
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So Canon has the product up on their website and can pre-order but no user manual yet that I can find.
I can't find a manual either. Photokina has started yesterday. Here is a first hands-on review of the new camera. (No deep insights there... I guess we'll have to wait a while, until a former SX50 owner can tell us more.)

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I can't find a manual either. Photokina has started yesterday. Here is a first hands-on review of the new camera. (No deep insights there... I guess we'll have to wait a while, until a former SX50 owner can tell us more.)
Ya. I expect that most of the SX50 users around here will be most interested to know how the SX70 image quality compares to the SX50 at the maximum zoom in some relatively fair comparison. That and the Image Stabilization.

Back when I was researching the Nikon P900 and SX60, most on-line reviews didn't really help on that. I eventually purchased both and returned them both.
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There is a fairly lively discussion going on here https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61680891 speculating on the merits of the SX70 with one thread focused on whether the SX70 lens is exactly the same as the SX60 lens. Most people seem to think that if Canon has not improved on the SX60 lens in the SX70, the SX70 may not be a worthwhile upgrade from the SX50.
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There is a fairly lively discussion going on here https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61680891 speculating on the merits of the SX70 with one thread focused on whether the SX70 lens is exactly the same as the SX60 lens. Most people seem to think that if Canon has not improved on the SX60 lens in the SX70, the SX70 may not be a worthwhile upgrade from the SX50.
Given that the SX60's 16MP are noisy beyond 400 ISO, I sure hope they did something to make 20MP on the SX70 actually useful.

The SX60 oddly might have had better image quality if they had left the 12MP sensor from the SX50 and just made lens, viewfinder, etc. improvements.

I think the megapixel wars are counter-productive at some level unless you are willing to pay the money for all the other components to go with it, which is not what this part of the market is about.

An SX50 vs. SX60 vs. SX70 shootout would be fascinating and go a long ways towards deciding whether I stick with my SX60 or save my pennies for the SX70.
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I did my own shootout between the SX50 and SX60 before I returned the SX60. Hopefully if anyone volunteers to do a shootout the SX50 would be included. Some of my results I posted in Dec 2016 in the Canon SX60 in Acton topic.

There appear to be a lot of people complaining that the SX70 lacks a hot shoe and touch screen. That doesn't matter to me at all.
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There appear to be a lot of people complaining that the SX70 lacks a hot shoe and touch screen.
Touch screen, don't care.

But I thought my eyes had deceived me...no hot shoe, seriously?

No hot shoe = no sale. I rely on flash to widen my ability to shoot in tricky lighting.

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Touch screen, don't care.

But I thought my eyes had deceived me...no hot shoe, seriously?

No hot shoe = no sale. I rely on flash to widen my ability to shoot in tricky lighting.

That's what the people in the Dpreview link above say. I haven't confirmed it myself.

Was it the SX30 or SX40 that it had a plastic cap and not visible with the cap on? Could it be the same with this? Perhaps they are assuming based on photos only.
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Old Thursday 27th September 2018, 01:27   #12
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Here is a link to Canon's specs PDF.

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camer...ions-chart.pdf

They only mention the built in flash.

Dpreview says External Flash = No

https://www.dpreview.com/products/ca...specifications
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No hot shoe = no sale. I rely on flash to widen my ability to shoot in tricky lighting.
The internal flash should suffice for distances up to 5m. With external flash and/or Better Beamer, in which distances do you get significant improvements, 10m perhaps? Is 15m the limit?

I've occasionally experimented with flash, didn't like the results too much. Often it looks artificial, or "red eyes".

Here are photos of the SX70 from Photokina. The main dial shows C1 and C2. Phew!

I wonder what the letters T and W on the new barrel button are standing for.
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No S wildcard button but a * button. Hmmm. I would miss the wildcard button. I set it to toggle the teleconverter on my Sx50's.

I wish they'd post the user manual. If that checks out I'd have no problem buying one from Amazon. I'd have 30 days to decide if I want to keep it or not.

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The main dial shows C1 and C2. Phew!

That's good!

I recall trying out the Nikon P900. That's when I learned not to expect a C1 and C2 setting. No ability to save multiple settings on the Nikon. One of several reasons why I hated the thing and returned it for a refund.

Once again, I want to see the user manual. :)
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The internal flash should suffice for distances up to 5m. With external flash and/or Better Beamer, in which distances do you get significant improvements, 10m perhaps? Is 15m the limit?
Without the Better Beamer, I've seen results with the Speedlite 480 out to 40-50 meters. All I often need is that small amount of "fill flash" to make photos expose better. With the SX60, the flash is really just compensating for the sensor's limitations when shooting higher shutter speeds; freely admitted. But I like my 1/400 or higher shutter speeds for capturing birds.

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I've occasionally experimented with flash, didn't like the results too much. Often it looks artificial, or "red eyes".
I assume you mean "steel eyes" with most birds. I don't use the flash up-close except for hummingbirds, so it hasn't been an issue very often. Up close, yeah steel eyes and shadows/light coming from the wrong direct vs. ambient light is something that has force me to toss-out otherwise decent quality photos.

I don't use the flash very often, but now that I've learned how useful it can be, I couldn't give it up for any advantage the SX70 likely has.
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I'm looking forward to the hands on reviews and the user manual posted.

My three SX50's have all developed issues.

I tried and returned the SX60 for several reasons. One was that it was much larger and heavier than the the Sx50. The other was that the Image Stabelization was inferior to the SX50.

It looks like while the SX70 is larger and heavier then the SX50, it's smaller and lighter than the SX60.

I'm looking forward to reports on the Image stabelization and also if it has the SX50 style 1.5 and 2x teleconverters and if they can be set to a wildcard button like they can on the SX50.

I did try the Nikon P900 and absolutely despised it.
I hope that the SX70 is a good upgrade or replacement for my old SX50's.
Opposite with me......i despised the idea of the p900 but was tempted into buying one and absolutely love it now........after gettingvto know it properley.
This new canon is a backward step in my opinion......there isn't anything to get excited about.
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On the topic of whether the SX70 has a redesigned/updated lens than the SX60, this is still all speculation but the lens on the SX70 does appear to have differences from the SX60.

The SX70 has what appears to be a circular grip around the base of the lens and it also has what appears to have a slider switch.

Neither of those are present on the SX60.

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The SX70 has what appears to be a circular grip around the base of the lens and it also has what appears to have a slider switch.
I asked above what the letters T and W on the switch could stand for. Does anybody have an idea?

The SX70 lens has "15 elements in 11 groups (3 UD lenses, 1 double-sided aspherical lens)", exactly the same as in the SX60. Not a new optical construction, it seems to me.
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I asked above what the letters T and W on the switch could stand for. Does anybody have an idea?
Completely guessing, but "telephoto" and "wide"? I've seen consumer cameras use this sort of labelling.

Almost seems like a preset switch (to switch modes of some sort) or just a second focusing paddle (so you don't have to use the one of the top of the camera?).

But 100% conjecture on my part.

I wonder if any of that change to the barrel means they may have added a ring focuser? If it worked anywhere near like my RX100, that might be handy.
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Completely guessing, but "telephoto" and "wide"? I've seen consumer cameras use this sort of labelling.

Almost seems like a preset switch (to switch modes of some sort) or just a second focusing paddle (so you don't have to use the one of the top of the camera?).

But 100% conjecture on my part.

I wonder if any of that change to the barrel means they may have added a ring focuser? If it worked anywhere near like my RX100, that might be handy.
I read in one of the preview articles the "switch" on the legs is the zoom control. Not sure if it's the only one or is some sort of preset, but I'd lean towards the former.
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Completely guessing, but "telephoto" and "wide"? I've seen consumer cameras use this sort of labelling.

Almost seems like a preset switch (to switch modes of some sort) or just a second focusing paddle (so you don't have to use the one of the top of the camera?).

But 100% conjecture on my part.

I wonder if any of that change to the barrel means they may have added a ring focuser? If it worked anywhere near like my RX100, that might be handy.
Tele / wide sounds logical. And if Canon introduces such a new element, I trust it will work nicely, whatever it does. They've had four years to think it through.

And thanks for your insights re flash. I've just bought an external flash for my Nikon and hope it will be a game-changer in the coming winter.
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Sorry for a tad of threadjacking here for a public service announcement:

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And thanks for your insights re flash. I've just bought an external flash for my Nikon and hope it will be a game-changer in the coming winter.
I'll give you a bit of a speech on flash photography:

One of the reasons I seem defensive when I mention flash is that it's controversial where some birders and bird photographers are concerned. You have been warned.

You have to do it with great care and always the bird's welfare should be the priority. If the bird seems bothered, don't do it.

So far, most birds seem more bothered more by the noise my girlfriend's D700 makes when taking photos ("mirror slap" the right term?) than my flash. But I have had an odd bird really stare me down while taking flash photos, which means it's noticing too much, and I stop. Generally though, they ignore me or pay attention to me no more or less than usual, thankfully.

Okay, so that's my flash photography speech; we now return you to your regularly scheduled SX70 discussion thread...
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I asked above what the letters T and W on the switch could stand for. Does anybody have an idea?

The SX70 lens has "15 elements in 11 groups (3 UD lenses, 1 double-sided aspherical lens)", exactly the same as in the SX60. Not a new optical construction, it seems to me.
Tele and wide also seem likely to me but the why there eludes me. Once again, really looking forward for them to post the manual.

I'm still holding out hope that although the construction of the lens appears the same that some improvement tweaks could have been made for IQ at the Max zoom. Only time will tell.
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Sorry for a tad of threadjacking here for a public service announcement:

I'll give you a bit of a speech on flash photography:

One of the reasons I seem defensive when I mention flash is that it's controversial where some birders and bird photographers are concerned. You have been warned.

You have to do it with great care and always the bird's welfare should be the priority. If the bird seems bothered, don't do it.
That's a good advice, and I'll be cautious. I've bought the Nikon SB-N7 flash to increase my odds for goldcrest BIF over the winter. Always focused on feeding and moving fast, the occasional flash won't hurt them. The SB-N7 has only a guide number of 17 meter. The Speedlite 480 has 48, holy cow!

4K video isn't important to me. Grabbing 8MB pics from a video would be fine, but they must be sharp.

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This guy seems to like the SX70, but my Romanian is a bit rusty.

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