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Old Thursday 14th June 2018, 23:35   #26
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It's still going to need ~90mm objective lenses, and the patent showed lots of glass up that end before the diffractive element came into play - you have to account for the area of that rather than do a straight linear extrapolation from the 300PF. So I think it will be more than that ....

Still, anywhere in that ~1250g - ~1750g range is going to be very much more portable and pointable than other big lenses on the market (should be a very similar order of magnitude in practice to the DSLR Canon 400/5.6 and 100-400/5.6)


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Perhaps, but it will be shorter.
As an example the "classic" Tokina 500mm/f5.6 (95mm filter thread) weighs 2240g.
The 300/4 PF is aprox. 45% lighter than the older AF-S 300/4.
2240x0.55 = 1250g.

I won't eat my hat on it, but it's possible, and expect more CF-plastics to be used as well.

Above 1500 g things start to get unconfy IMO, like some of the rather bulky and long 100-400mm zooms.

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Old Friday 15th June 2018, 13:03   #27
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Nikon's "must capture unpredictable and fast-moving subjects" clearly means a hobby hunting swallows. Fortunately other press texts from Nikon call the lens "ultra-portable" and "ultra-light". This settles it, the lens weighs below 1kg.
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Nikon's "must capture unpredictable and fast-moving subjects" clearly means a hobby hunting swallows. Fortunately other press texts from Nikon call the lens "ultra-portable" and "ultra-light". This settles it, the lens weighs below 1kg.
I've seen exactly that scenario ! ..... a welcome swallow at full whack pulling about 12G in evasive maneuvers with an Australian Hobby hot on it's tail came screaming not more than 10ft overhead from behind me at 100mph+ !!!! I will never forget the sound of tortured air as it peeled off the wings vrrrrrroooooffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff !
I think the swallow lived to fight another day - but honestly I would have had trouble following the action with anything heavier than an eyeball !



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Old Friday 6th July 2018, 18:54   #30
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Ye Gods!!! 4300USD - that must include an allowance for Trump's 25% tariff ! It had want to be able to lay a golden egg as well as take sharp pictures for that price !!

I can see a lot of children being sold off for scientific experiment ......

It will be interesting to see what this thing weighs, as even at 24cm there's a heck of a lot of glass up front ....




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Ye Gods!!! 4300USD - that must include an allowance for Trump's 25% tariff ! It had want to be able to lay a golden egg as well as take sharp pictures for that price !!

I can see a lot of children being sold off for scientific experiment ......

It will be interesting to see what this thing weighs, as even at 24cm there's a heck of a lot of glass up front ....

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Price as expected.

My kidney is already on Ebay...

Length still indicates a weight around 1250 grams (compared to 300 PF).

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I've seen exactly that scenario ! ..... a welcome swallow at full whack pulling about 12G in evasive maneuvers with an Australian Hobby hot on it's tail came screaming not more than 10ft overhead from behind me at 100mph+ !!!! I will never forget the sound of tortured air as it peeled off the wings vrrrrrroooooffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff !
I think the swallow lived to fight another day - but honestly I would have had trouble following the action with anything heavier than an eyeball !
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Great! I must admit that I've only watched a hobby hunting an insect. Fast, but not incredibly fast. Presently I have fun with swifts. High in the sky they appear slow, but when the swift brigade circles around my block roughly at eye level - holy cow!

Once I walked in the forest when a sparrowhawk patrolled the same path, only in opposite direction. It passed me at circa 2m distance. A speed demon, and totally unexpected. Not the slightest chance for me to raise the camera.
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The new AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR lens spotted at a Nikon World Cup party

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/07/14/t...up-party.aspx/
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The new AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR lens spotted at a Nikon World Cup party

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/07/14/t...up-party.aspx/
Interesting comment if you follow the journo's twitter feed about the weight ..... he says it "feels" like a kg. There must have been some fancy engineering for that since the patent showed a lot of glass up front - perhaps the lenses are thinner than schematically represented. If Nikon has managed to bring it in at that kg mark then its utility goes way up - though I'm not sure it's $4K up ! I had hoped for pricing just under $3K, but I think there will be strong demand for this lens provided the IQ, AF, VR, and flare control pans out .....

Hurry up the 600 ! If Nikon can work such weight wonders with the 5, then the 600 f5.6 must surely be under ~1.5kg, maybe even ~1.36kg, which would be an awesome bit of kit.

Next stop 600 f4 PF !!



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Old Monday 16th July 2018, 10:39   #35
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Nikon jacked up their prices again recently, the 800mm f5.6 is now over 18,000. ($24,000 USD approx) These new lenses only have lower weight as far as I can see. Not sure why anyone would think they'll be a high demand. Too much for most I suspect. We'll see.
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Old Tuesday 7th August 2018, 13:25   #38
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Looks very handy !

C'mon the 600 f5.6, ...... and hopefully a 600 f4 PF too ! :)



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Specs says that the 500/5.6 PF is 1460 grams (including lens collar).

"The AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR will be available September 13 for the suggested retail prices (SRP) of $3599.95."

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/23/n...#ixzz5OyygdQex

From the marketing it seems that Nikon have reduced the problems (strange halos) with point light sources for the PF element in the 500mm.

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Typical UK ripoff 3,699.00 = USD 4755ish; https://www.parkcameras.com/p/324021...-s-nikkor-lens

Looks good though.

Approx 600g less than the 200-500mm but 2500 more expensive.
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Specs says that the 500/5.6 PF is 1460 grams (including lens collar).

"The AF-S NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR will be available September 13 for the suggested retail prices (SRP) of $3599.95."

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/23/n...#ixzz5OyygdQex

From the marketing it seems that Nikon have reduced the problems (strange halos) with point light sources for the PF element in the 500mm.
About the weight expected, though perhaps a smidgen more than hoped for, and certainly more expensive than hoped for.

I think the most surprising thing for me is that the press release states that it will be compatible with the F to Z adapter to work with new Z6 and Z7 FF Mirrorless bodies. I would have thought for such a recently designed lens that a native Z mount version would have been made from the get go. Nikon's lens road map seems to make no mention of a native Z mount within at least the next 2 years ...... for something that pretty much amounts to a circa 30mm lens body extension at the mount end - I find that surprising and disappointing. One can only hope that changes for the 600mm f5.6 PF and that it hurries the heck up !



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I see your point about the mount for this lens, Chosun.

Making it Z would really have made wildlife shooters sit up and take notice and generate incentive to get the Z6/7. As it is, I think it competes with Nikon's own 200-500 and the 500f4 (in all its incarnations) rather than the mirrorless competition.

Having said that, the 300PF is a great little lens (at less than half the price) and this will no doubt be another cracker (at less than half the price of the new F4).

As for the new adapter: Thom Hogan gives his thoughts on his website.

I guess a 600 f5.6 would run out at around the same price as a used 600f4 G.
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There are very few Z mount cameras out there at the moment so a 500mm lens with a Z mount would not sell much. Also adapting a Z mount lens to F mount camera is far more complicated than vice versa.

These first Z mount cams is apparently not intended to replace or compete with Nikons pro DSLR:s with F mount. Nikon's product segmentation trick this time is to put only 1 card slot in the Z6 and Z7.

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Same length as Canon 400mm f5.6 and only 200 grams heavier....
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Nikon 500mm f5.6 PF vs. 500mm f4E vs. 200-500mm f5.6E Specifications Comparison

Handy comparison showing MTF charts .... looks impressive !
https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/24/n...mparison.aspx/

The only drawback (apart from the higher than wished for price) is the minimum focus distance of 3m ....

Sample images:
https://www.nikonrumors.co/af-s-nikk...sample-images/
If you follow the link (Nikon CN) to the high resolution images, then they look good too - well at least the close range ones, and the low contrast out of focus bokeh looks pleasingly 'smooth and creamy' too. It would be interesting to see a shot by shot comparison with the 3 lenses at the same time ....


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The 1460 grams is without tripod collar. 1630 grams including it. Not a big deal perhaps but still.

MTF chart looks crazy sharp, as it should, considering the price and f5.6.

Some (small) sample photos here:

https://photographylife.com/news/nik...s-announcement

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The 1460 grams is without tripod collar. 1630 grams including it. Not a big deal perhaps but still.

MTF chart looks crazy sharp, as it should, considering the price and f5.6.

Some (small) sample photos here:

https://photographylife.com/news/nik...s-announcement
Vespo, is that weight confirmed? It's a bit disappointing if the 1460 grams didn't include the tripod mount ......

If it does, I think we're looking at a 600 f5.6 PF of ~1.67kg, otherwise if 1460 grams is just the bare lens weight of the 500, then I think the 600 will come in at ~1.9kg bare or just under 2.1kg with tripod foot - that's about the same weight as the Tammy G2 Supertelephoto zoom



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Vespo, is that weight confirmed? It's a bit disappointing if the 1460 grams didn't include the tripod mount ......

If it does, I think we're looking at a 600 f5.6 PF of ~1.67kg, otherwise if 1460 grams is just the bare lens weight of the 500, then I think the 600 will come in at ~1.9kg bare or just under 2.1kg with tripod foot - that's about the same weight as the Tammy G2 Supertelephoto zoom


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Probably, as the image is from nikon's website:

https://cdn.photographylife.com/wp-c...mm-f4-size.jpg
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If I didn't already have 2 different nice bird photography lenses, the 500mm f/5.6 PF might be at the top of my list.

Personally I would be much more tempted by a 600mm f/5.6 PF, but that it is still nothing more than a rumor based on a patent, right? I guess we can hope maybe it is more than that, because (a) surely some of the work done to make the 500mm will reduce the cost of adding the 400 and 600mm versions, and (b) didn't Chosun say that Nikon's stated priorities include telephoto lenses, and certainly they must understand there is some demand; not everyone is willing to pay $10K - $12K for the traditional 400-500-600mm super telephotos...

If they are smart they will also announce both F and native S mount versions, and I know I'm not the first one to say this...

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