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Old Sunday 19th August 2018, 17:59   #26
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Tringa45, post 16,
Our test data were originally published on the WEB-site of the Dutch Bird Protection Association, but when a particular dealer threatened to "punish" the Association because he did not like the results we found for his particular instrument, we looked for a dealer who is fully independent and who does not care one moment if a dealer or company does not like the results of our investigation since they might hamper sales figures. We came out at House of Outdoor and I can assure you that this dealer does not care one bit if a company likes or dislikes the determined data and in that way we were assured that we could publish as desired by scientific standards. This is the way University science shops generally work.
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Old Monday 20th August 2018, 22:49   #27
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So, why is it being demonstrated at essentially a birdwatching event and being discussed on a birdwatching forum?

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My guess for the former is as a technology demonstrator - to show what the company is capable of when size and price are removed from the equation. I will admit I'd love to have used it to scan the Rutland area as I enjoyed doing with Swarovski's BTX last year. As to the latter, the Binoculars forum always seems to have attracted much more of a "broad church" shall we say than the site in general. Quite a few regular contributors here use their binoculars primarily for stargazing - many are not primarily birders and there are (or have been) a fair few binoculars discussed (eg. Zeiss 15x60) that would be very seldom used by modern day birders. I practically only ever use mine for birding, but must confess I find the observations of the more optically learned posters very interesting.

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Old Monday 20th August 2018, 23:21   #28
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My guess for the former is as a technology demonstrator - to show what the company is capable of when size and price are removed from the equation.
I think so too ...

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Quite a few regular contributors here use their binoculars primarily for stargazing -
Here technical aspects are often discussed!
Stargazing is an excellent way to visualize certain optical deficiencies of binoculars that are not very noticeable in "normal" observation, stargazing can be very helpful.

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Old Tuesday 21st August 2018, 11:27   #29
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Probably astronomy, on a parralellogram mount.
There are many long threads on CloudyNIghts-binoculars section about the WX.
The consensus , in my opinion, is the WX is the best optics in binoculars ever;
but not very practical due to cost, too heavy to hand hold, and if mounting just use something bigger.

Still-very interesting. I would love to have one, but do not know what I would do with it-maybe mount it in a glass case in the house and view it as fine art.

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...... Yes, it will be interesting to see who stocks them in the UK, let alone demonstrates both models. My guess would be special order only with perhaps a very limited number of specialist outlets handling them.
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While they can be ordered through any dealer, the Nikon rep told us that the only UK place you can currently buy them over the counter is Harrods! Why doesn't that surprise me.

I had set WX up on a cluster of comorants, perhaps about 150m away, for comparison with the EDG. I found it difficult to believe the difference in the quality of detail definition between the two instruments. Then there is the 9 vs. 6.5 FoV, and all of it usable. Just amazing. The rep persuaded us to give it a go hand held. I was really surprised how steady the view was... if only for a minute or so. I could imagine it being pretty effective from a hide with support for the elbows.

If your thing is waterfowl surveys from a static position it might be ideal. The Kowa Highlander with it's standard 32x eyepieces has a 38m FoV. The WK10x50 has 157m. I don't think I'm going to remortgage the house to get one just yet, but there no need to panic, we were told it's going to be a catalogue item for some time to come.

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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 10:33   #31
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The ISS, International Space Station, seems to be an ideal location for a Nikon 10x50 WX.
The weight is no problem and the cost is no problem, just the view if they have some really good windows.
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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 15:07   #32
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The ISS, International Space Station, seems to be an ideal location for a Nikon 10x50 WX.
The weight is no problem and the cost is no problem, just the view if they have some really good windows.
.... windows with no risk of bird droppings on them ....
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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 15:44   #33
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The windows are cratered by micrometeorites, sometimes quite deeply.
I think that the windows are very thick, so I don't know how good they are optically.

Nikon supply NASA with cameras, but I don't know if they have a WX up there.

I don't think that geese or wind blown spiders get up that high (:
About 380km maybe.

Noctilucent clouds reach 82 to 85km, and these are our highest clouds.

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I have used a 10x25 binocular for astronomy from the front cockpit windows of a B 747 aircraft at night at 37,000ft above the mid Atlantic.
With the captain's permission, (when he woke up), in the late 1980s.
There was a 100 mph tailwind. Our groundspeed about 700mph.
Although the windows are thick, they are optically excellent.
The sky was magnificent with most cockpit lighting switched off.
Stars just vanished near to the horizon while still being bright.
Atmospheric degradation is minimal even close to the horizon.
One sees a bit past a normal sea level horizon.

Nowadays this isn't allowed.

The passenger windows are very poor.

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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 16:19   #34
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Wouldn't something like the Kowa 32x82 High Lander Binocular w/ Flourite Glass be a better value for astro use than the Nikon 10x50 WX?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...h=CSE&c3nid=98
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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 17:51   #35
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Different glass, as one would say for astro one gives you the nice wide view (WX) the other (>X Kowa) gives more information. The WX with that 9 degree FOV is an anomaly for the 10X format. One can get the same views out of an APM as the kowa at less than half the price. The Kowa is a nice glass however, but like the WX, $$$$$.

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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 18:41   #36
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The Nikon 10x50 WX would have made sense for me thirty plus years ago, as I could comfortably hand hold a same weight selected Japanese Celestron 20x80 for twenty minutes at a time looking at the night sky.
The only problem would be cost.
It would be ideal for telescopic meteors on La Palma at around 8,000ft.
I saw numerous very faint meteors with short trails near the zenith there, although others couldn't quite get that faint. This was with unaided eyes and a limiting zenithal magnitude of 7.2.

As to cost, it is cheaper than most new cars and doesn't need fuel.
Several of my astronomer friends have astro setups costing two or three times the WX cost.

Now it makes no sense for me with light pollution. And I would prefer a 12x50 WX.
I couldn't hand hold it now either, although strong people shouldn't have much of a problem.

For tripod mounted I would indeed go for something bigger, but I have never liked tripod mounted binoculars.
The whole point of binoculars to me is the flexibility of hand holding.

I am pretty sure the Canon 18x50 IS with all its imperfections would outresolve the 10x50 WX, as soon as the IS was engaged.

The Nikon 10x50 WX for me is a white elephant. Maybe interesting, but not something I need.
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Old Thursday 23rd August 2018, 20:37   #37
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While certainly hand-holdable in terms of weight, it becomes kinda unusable as the IF would be impossible to operate.
If it wasn't for the IF, it would make a great tool for bird observatories on migration counts; or some kind of static display, perhaps in a cathedral with a famous stained glass window, or on the balcony of a mountainside hotel facing some amazing glacier....
I wonder if with time, you'd get quite adept at adjusting IF mechanisms?
Scope users quite often use both hands to zoom and focus at the same time...
I'd have to say that the view through the thing was quite stunning - i don't think i've seen better. Having one set up at Portland, Languard or Spurn Bird Obs would be fantastic!
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Old Saturday 25th August 2018, 18:47   #38
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I followed a link which stated on the Nikon website that a limited production of 100 units will be available worldwide ( including both magnifications ). This is a rare beast indeed.
My thoughts on likely splits would be 20 for North America, 20 for Europe and 10 for the Far East including Japan......per magnification. How many premium Nikon retailers in each region, bearing in mind only Harrods in London currently advertise the x 10 in Europe?
Would be fascinating to hear of anyone seeing or using this binocular away from a major optics demonstration event.

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Old Saturday 25th August 2018, 19:03   #39
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Pyrtle,

I understood from the Nikon representative that only 100 would sold as the 100 year anniversary limited edition, but an unlabelled version would continue to be listed in the catalogue. Same with the EII.

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Old Tuesday 28th August 2018, 20:10   #40
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It's even rarer than a Bugatti Veyron, but I saw one of those 10 years ago in use on the Guildford bypass. Described as a cash cow for VW. Sold for $2.5 million per unit, though over $5million loss per unit after costs for development, production and marketing.
I really should have gone to Birdfair this year. Ah well.
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Old Thursday 4th October 2018, 01:28   #41
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I have viewed the WX 10X50 on many occasions (a friend of mine owns one), both daytime and primarily for astro. I have the EL SV10X50, the Leica UVHD 10X50, and the FL 10X56 , the WX 10X50 is not a versatile glass, weight, and of course cost, but from an optical perspective it crushes the aforementioned glass- just my 2c.

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Of those you mention that fall short of the WX 10x50, which is the runner-up?

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..............The Nikon 10x50 WX for me is a white elephant. Maybe interesting, but not something I need.
This is a really, really good point. Still, there's something intriguing about it.
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I was fortunate enough to have a look through the 10x50 WX yesterday, albeit not in ideal viewing conditions being indoor in a large showroom (not that being outside would have helped as it was a typically UK grey/drizzly day!).

The WX I think is one of these very few cases that really meets or exceeds every expectation about just how good they are even despite all the superlatives that have been levelled at them and are, as succintly stated by the OP, quite extraordinary. The clarity, sharpness and overall image quality nevermind the immense apparent field of view was so far superior to any other binocular I have ever looked through it almost beggared belief and made my 8.5x SV and 10x56 SLC HD seem very very mediocre afterwards.
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The Nikon 10x50 WX for me is a white elephant. Maybe interesting, but not something I need.

True, few if any of us really need it, but many would like to have it.

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Of those you mention that fall short of the WX 10x50, which is the runner-up?

saidentary,

They are all different,and all are used by me for terrestrial and astro, but to me the Leica UV and HD+ 10X50 are the ones I use the most, both in the day and at night.

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Would be fascinating to hear of anyone seeing or using this binocular away from a major optics demonstration event.

Cloudy Nights ------binocular forum----WX10x50 A brief Review by kc131 Sept 18
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Some size comparisons in this review of the WX 7x50 (Google translation from Japanese)

http://translate.google.com/translat...F73150102.html

I wonder how many Nikon will manage to sell of such a specialized instrument.. The serial numbers are sequential so time will tell.
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The Nikon WX 7x50 seems to be a strange beast. I think that more WX 10x50s would be sold.
I read the review mentioned in post 45.
As I suspected, so far as resolution is concerned, almost any Canon IS, with the IS switched on, will beat the 10x50 Nikon WX hand held.

I have also found that my very old Canon 18x50 IS actually has steadier images than the Canon 10x30 IS Mk 2 hand held, even though the 10x30 Mk 2 has the better stabilizer. This is because of the weight and inertia of the 18x50.

This all fits in with the review and Kimmo's comments.

If a Nikon 10x50 WX turned up at a low price I would consider it. But nowadays it is basically too heavy for me, although it should be fine for a fit strong person hand held.
I still see no point in tripod mounted binoculars, although I can see the suitability for extended bird watches.

From a light polluted site I see even fewer reasons to buy a Nikon WX for astronomy.

It is possible that a 12x50 Nikon WX could have an even larger AFOV than the 10x50 WX.
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Cloudy Nights ------binocular forum----WX10x50 A brief Review by kc131 Sept 18
Could you post a link please, if thats allowed.
I'm not a member of that forum.
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Pyrtle,
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/6...-brief-review/
Got to love it, if only for the photos.

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https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/6...-brief-review/
Got to love it, if only for the photos.

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