Harrier confirm / Iran (1 Viewer)

Shahrzad

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• Sep 28, 2019

• #1

As his fingers and rump color I think it can be a Montagu's Harrier.

27 Sep. 2019 in semi desert area of Varamin/Iran

 

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Jean FRANCOIS

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• Sep 28, 2019

• #2

Montagu's Harrier juv for me.
Jean

 

tconzemi

Tom

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• Sep 28, 2019

• #3

Jean FRANCOIS said:

Montagu's Harrier juv for me.
Jean

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and me

 

Tib78

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• Sep 28, 2019

• #4

Any other pic?

 

Shahrzad

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• Sep 29, 2019

• #5

other pic

Tib78 said:

Any other pic?

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this is also looks like the last photo.

 

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rollingthunder

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• Sep 29, 2019

• #6

I know the second pic is blurred but a very smart bird nonetheless:t:

Laurie -

 

wolfbirder

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• Sep 29, 2019

• #7

You sure it isn't a Pallid?

 

Tib78

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #8

Somehow I was suspecting it was a Pallid with the first pic, or at least I couldn’t see how this bird might be identified as a Montagu’s with this single pic, and now with the second pic it surely looks more like a Pallid. Thickset body, largish bill are pro-Pallid for a start, but it’s mainly the head pattern that points to Pallid: the subocular crescent is triangular and divides the cheek patch in two portions that are roughly the same size (crescent usually more rounded in Monty’s, and when it divides the cheek patch, the rear part is usually much larger than the front part), also note the lack of a clear supercilium behind the eye. And an extra point is visible on’pic 1: the short P10.

 

Andy Adcock

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #9

My initial instinct was Pallid.

 

Jean FRANCOIS

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #10

Shahrzad said:

this is also looks like the last photo.

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We should have proposed the best photo, the second, from the first message!
It would have been clearer for all.
Jean

 

tconzemi

Tom

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #11

Jean FRANCOIS said:

We should have proposed the best photo, the second, from the first message!
It would have been clearer for all.
Jean

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:t:

 

rollingthunder

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #12

From BRC.

 

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Shahrzad

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #13

Thanks

Tib78 said:

Somehow I was suspecting it was a Pallid with the first pic, or at least I couldn’t see how this bird might be identified as a Montagu’s with this single pic, and now with the second pic it surely looks more like a Pallid. Thickset body, largish bill are pro-Pallid for a start, but it’s mainly the head pattern that points to Pallid: the subocular crescent is triangular and divides the cheek patch in two portions that are roughly the same size (crescent usually more rounded in Monty’s, and when it divides the cheek patch, the rear part is usually much larger than the front part), also note the lack of a clear supercilium behind the eye. And an extra point is visible on’pic 1: the short P10.

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Many thanks Tib78, you mentioned good keys for identification.

 

Shahrzad

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• Sep 30, 2019

• #14

Thanks

rollingthunder said:

From BRC.

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Thank you a lot rollingthunder, these photos helped us for more knowing.