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Old Thursday 18th May 2017, 15:42   #1
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Keep your cat inside during spring

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-39961402

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Old Thursday 18th May 2017, 17:03   #2
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Or at least put a bell around its neck.

I'm glad to see this is now being taken seriously. Further reduction of the grey squirell population will help too.

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I so agree with both of you.
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Old Thursday 18th May 2017, 17:59   #5
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Agree but baby steps, getting cat owners to keep them inside during spring with so many vulnerable young birds on the ground would be a huge leap forward.


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Old Thursday 18th May 2017, 22:32   #6
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Very good!

I hope RSPB encourages it.

Naturally, there will be always some insensitive owners who think that suffering of young birds is not important, but every cat owner who agrees will save young birds and mammals.

BTW, is it possible to make a cheap portable cat paddock from net on poles? I have an idea of a cross of this small fence to keep the sheep in, covered with the net used to protect grapes from starlings. Such a thing would be also useful for cat owners who go on holiday with their cats, in which circumstances cats very easily get lost.
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Agreed. Nice post shared.
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Keep your cats indoors all the time...
Agree completely!
I do have several cats and they can enjoy the birds outside only through the window. Safe for everyone, including the cats themselves.
The bad thing is that most of the people in my country think that it is "natural" to leave your cat(s) to roam outdoors and catch prey for fun. Not sure how it is in UK or other parts of the world, but I guess the same attitude still prevails.
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You're all wrong. Solution is get a dog, or a rabbit!

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Old Saturday 28th October 2017, 19:19   #11
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Sigh....If life was so simple, my dear next door neighbour has 4 cats and there is no way on this heavenly earth she would lock-em inside, the lady loves her birds as well and is a long term member of a multitude of conservation associations etc; BTO, RSPB, Birdlife, OBC, Gib bird club, Kent nature and many more - she also passes on all the (dry ) Bird Study issues on to me!

So - I resort to flushing the cats when they are hunting migrants and others, most mornings early. They are very well fed but one of them is addicted to hunting Chiffchaffs and such, little b+++er.

I don't have any cats by the way!
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wow, what a carnage ! I guess cats stay true to their nature.
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Old Friday 26th July 2019, 09:46   #13
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Keep your cats indoors all the time...
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or cat bib
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or cat bib
Okay so I thought you were being snarky at first but...I looked up that CatBib and I have to admit, that's pretty cool. :)

Though there are alot of other reasons to keep a cat indoors, but for the purposes of the OP, this does seem like a realistic option.

Though I will note that it does not help reptiles, lizards, etc. by admission of the company that makes them and the studies. So while we at BirdForum can feel good about it (because, birds), I can tell you a story about how just a couple housecats can all but completely wipe-out an entire herpatalogical ecosystem for miles around a rural home.
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Old Friday 26th July 2019, 16:24   #15
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I can tell you a story about how just a couple housecats can all but completely wipe-out an entire herpatalogical ecosystem for miles around a rural home.
Dead serious.

Cat outside without a bell collar, feral cat. Cat outside without a cat bib, feral cat. Cat outside more than 100 metres from any habitation, feral cat. Takeaway not chicken - feral cat.

Feral cats are well provided for under UK legislation.

Following on from the Invasive Alien Species (Enforcement and Permitting) Order 2019, which will come into force in the UK on 1 December 2019, there may well be a much needed change in the law regarding free-ranging domestic cats and wildlife conservation.

To protect our native songbirds and the rare small mammals such as shrews and voles and all the other myriad of species that are preyed upon by free-ranging domestic cats, UK cat owners may be required to have their cats wear either bell-collar or cat bib when outside. Common sense dictates that this should be already enshrined in law.

Time now for responsible cat owners to get ahead of the curve.
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The content of this thread is too controversial and belongs in RUFFLED FEATHERS.




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Old Saturday 27th July 2019, 06:14   #17
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CJ,

Here are some resources for you:



https://www.publish.csiro.au/book/7784

Australian Government’s Threatened Species Strategy identifies tackling feral cats as its top priority for action:

https://www.environment.gov.au/biodi...ing-feral-cats

The Mammal Action Plan 2012 and a report published in 2014 by the US National Academy of Sciences (Woinarski et al) ranked feral cats as the highest threat to Australia's mammals. Their threat factor was more than double that of red foxes, the next highest threat, and triple that of habitat loss and fragmentation.

Feral cats have contributed to the extinction of at least 28 mammal species since they first arrived in Australia, and they continue to wreak havoc. They imperil around a third of threatened mammals, reptiles, frogs and birds.

18th Australasian Vertebrate Pest Conference Melbourne 2020: https://avpc.net.au

The choice is very simple: cats or wildlife, no whining or thumb-sucking.
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Controversial, yes, but I think necessary.

Many will get upset but.... I really think that humans keeping cats (or dogs etc) for human pleasure while neutering them (the animals) is cruel. D'you want that done to you?

So are actions like putting birds in cages or putting bells on cats and shutting them in indoors or putting dogs on leashes etc etc. Fewer pets kept, fewer pet breedings for the market. IMO.
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CJ,

Here are some resources for you:



https://www.publish.csiro.au/book/7784

Australian Government’s Threatened Species Strategy identifies tackling feral cats as its top priority for action:

https://www.environment.gov.au/biodi...ing-feral-cats

The Mammal Action Plan 2012 and a report published in 2014 by the US National Academy of Sciences (Woinarski et al) ranked feral cats as the highest threat to Australia's mammals. Their threat factor was more than double that of red foxes, the next highest threat, and triple that of habitat loss and fragmentation.

Feral cats have contributed to the extinction of at least 28 mammal species since they first arrived in Australia, and they continue to wreak havoc. They imperil around a third of threatened mammals, reptiles, frogs and birds.

18th Australasian Vertebrate Pest Conference Melbourne 2020: https://avpc.net.au

The choice is very simple: cats or wildlife, no whining or thumb-sucking.
Samandag, yes I have seen that. I have to say that I am not a fan of poisoning for at least 2 very good reasons:
1) It is intolerably cruel.
2) There is significant risk of secondary poisoning of things like raptors, and other native carnivores that take any portion of their diet as carrion.

Even feral pests (superbly adapted hunters that belong in other countries) deserve a humane death - put to sleep, bullet to the brain etc.

There is an existing thread here:
https://www.birdforum.net/showthread...38#post3875038




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Samandag, yes I have seen that. I have to say that I am not a fan of poisoning for at least 2 very good reasons:
1) It is intolerably cruel.
2) There is significant risk of secondary poisoning of things like raptors, and other native carnivores that take any portion of their diet as carrion.

Even feral pests (superbly adapted hunters that belong in other countries) deserve a humane death - put to sleep, bullet to the brain etc.

There is an existing thread here:
https://www.birdforum.net/showthread...38#post3875038


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I don't know whether any method of killing feral cats without massive collateral damage exists. Some sort of cat disease would probably be the only hope, as there are no closely related species native to Australia.
Not sure there even is a good candidate for such a disease currently, although the miracles of genetic engineering may allow one to be created.
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Not sure there even is a good candidate for such a disease currently, although the miracles of genetic engineering may allow one to be created.
But then you'll have to worry about the disease getting out of the country, and infecting wild animals overseas.
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But then you'll have to worry about the disease getting out of the country, and infecting wild animals overseas.
Absolutely true, biological weapons are inherently unpredictable, plus there is always some prospect of the disease mutating to infect other species.
The main protection would be the relative isolation of Australia and the absence of closely related species, both offer some reassurance, but there is risk. That must be weighted against the ongoing ecocide taking place due to the unchecked feral cat population.
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Cat predation on wildlife is a crisis of international concern, and it does not end there ...Toxoplasmosis was first reported in Hawaiian Monk Seal (Monachus schauinslandi ) in 2005, now nearly fifteen years later there is this:

"How housecats are (indirectly) killing monk seals. Kitty litter is getting into the ocean, spreading a dangerous parasite that is killing marine life"

Too many cats, everywhere.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-21236690

The content of this thread is too controversial and belongs in RUFFLED FEATHERS.
Only once PH introduces 5G to exonerate the complicity of the cats...
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The choice is very simple: cats or wildlife, no whining or thumb-sucking.
Pretty much. I've heard far more benefits to keeping them indoors or not having them at all (if you think indoor-only is cruel) than letting them be outside.
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