Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Zeiss - Always on the lookout for something special – Shop now

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Song Thrush, early singing?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 18:12   #1
Sancho
Registered User
BF Supporter 2019
 
Sancho's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ireland
Posts: 8,986
Song Thrush, early singing?

I get confused each year, progression of fime and all that. Thjs year I first heard Song Thrush song on 19th November. Anyone in IRL/UK heard earlier?
Sancho is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 18:49   #2
Britseye
Registered User

 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Isles of Scilly
Posts: 934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
I get confused each year, progression of fime and all that. Thjs year I first heard Song Thrush song on 19th November. Anyone in IRL/UK heard earlier?
I heard two giving what I call 'real' song on 18 November this year. I've always known Song Thrush have a 2-3 week spell of 'real' singing in mid-November which then drops off in December and begins again late Jan/Feb. But in the last 2-3 autumns I've noticed something between 'real' song and 'sub or plastic song' a number of times in October (I've also seen nest-material gathering a few times in that month recently).

There's an absolutely fascinating paper somewhere in BB I'll see if I can find a link to later this evening that shows a six-year study of Song Thrush singing in (Oxfordshire?)
Britseye is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 19:05   #3
aeshna5
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Middx
Posts: 4,526
There was one singing on my local patch in the west London suburbs last Sunday.
aeshna5 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 20:52   #4
dantheman
Bah humbug
 
dantheman's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 12,257
Blog Entries: 2
Not heard any Song Thrushes recently, but was surprised to hear a Grey Wagtail singing by a (very) small stream where I was working today. Maybe that's normal though?
__________________
stithiansreservoirbirding.blogspot.co.uk/ - last update 10/11/15 - really rather remarkable still!!!
dantheman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 21:17   #5
Jon Turner
Registered User
 
Jon Turner's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Devon, England
Posts: 4,300
Great Spotted Woodpecker drumming yesterday here in non-sunny North Devon.
I usually get Song Thrushes singing during the winter, but not yet this winter.
__________________
Jon
Jon Turner is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 23:00   #6
Deb Burhinus
Registered User

 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 394
From observing my local Song Thrush singing in the late autumn/early winter, I have often thought that it may be to do with protecting the food source (ie fruit) on its territory when there is an abundance of fruit (my fruit trees and mixed berry bushes) supplemented by commercially bought apples and snails if mild and wet. The song is not the full out repertoire though. If later, ‘wintering’ thrush species move in (Fieldfare, Redwing, migrant Blackbirds) or it’s outnumbered by local Blackbirds competing for the same food, the Song Thrush stops singing/becomes the aggressee and eventually looses out to the ‘invaders’. The earliest Ive heard them move back in and stake breeeding territory is February.

All anecdotal but this paper gives some credence to the idea Song Thrush sing to defend winter food territories
https://britishbirds.co.uk/wp-conten...1_175_A036.pdf
__________________
___________________________
ORNITHOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF THE MIDDLE EAST
THE CAUCASUS AND CENTRAL ASIA
http://www.osme.org

Last edited by Deb Burhinus : Friday 22nd November 2019 at 23:08.
Deb Burhinus is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 23:27   #7
Britseye
Registered User

 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Isles of Scilly
Posts: 934
Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman View Post
Not heard any Song Thrushes recently, but was surprised to hear a Grey Wagtail singing by a (very) small stream where I was working today. Maybe that's normal though?
I haven't heard Dipper singing for years but I seem to recall Oct-November being a good time to hear them?
Britseye is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 22nd November 2019, 23:32   #8
Britseye
Registered User

 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Isles of Scilly
Posts: 934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deb Burhinus View Post
All anecdotal but this paper gives some credence to the idea Song Thrush sing to defend winter food territories
https://britishbirds.co.uk/wp-conten...1_175_A036.pdf
Thanks for that. British Birds 96 * March 2003 *119-131

Are you able to perhaps pdf that one, too? It was a ten-year study in Bucks (not six in Oxfords!) authored by David Snow, who also wrote the fantastic Study of Blackbirds.
Britseye is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 23rd November 2019, 01:30   #9
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
 
Nutcracker's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 18,970
Heard both Song and Mistle Thrushes singing in the last 2-3 weeks; that's perfectly normal, they always start singing in late autumn.

More unusually, heard a Blackbird singing today - they don't usually start singing until February (at least in this part of Britain, I've read they start earlier down south).
Nutcracker is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 23rd November 2019, 03:09   #10
Sancho
Registered User
BF Supporter 2019
 
Sancho's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ireland
Posts: 8,986
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britseye View Post
I heard two giving what I call 'real' song on 18 November this year. I've always known Song Thrush have a 2-3 week spell of 'real' singing in mid-November which then drops off in December and begins again late Jan/Feb. But in the last 2-3 autumns I've noticed something between 'real' song and 'sub or plastic song' a number of times in October (I've also seen nest-material gathering a few times in that month recently).

There's an absolutely fascinating paper somewhere in BB I'll see if I can find a link to later this evening that shows a six-year study of Song Thrush singing in (Oxfordshire?)
Many thanks Britseye, this tallies exactly with what I'm hearing. Not exactly full-on song, sounds more like shorter renditions of fewer 'phrases', doesn't last long, sounds a bit half-hearted. Not as weak as sub-song though. In contrast, a few times I've heard a Song Thrush, at this time if year, manically belting out one single, repeated 'phrase'. Meanwhile if the cureent rainy spell doesn't ease up, I'll go a bit manic myself.
Sancho is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 23rd November 2019, 11:05   #11
Steve Lister
World Birder, ex-County Recorder, Garden Moth-er

 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Loughborough, Leicestershire
Posts: 4,330
One was singing at my vismig spot, Deans Lane near Loughborough, on November 3rd and again a few days later. I have heard two others at other places since.
It did strike me as very early.

Steve
Steve Lister is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 23rd November 2019, 21:52   #12
Deb Burhinus
Registered User

 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 394
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britseye View Post
Thanks for that. British Birds 96 * March 2003 *119-131

Are you able to perhaps pdf that one, too? It was a ten-year study in Bucks (not six in Oxfords!) authored by David Snow, who also wrote the fantastic Study of Blackbirds.
I’m away at the moment but when I get back in a few weeks, I’ll try and track it down for you
__________________
___________________________
ORNITHOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF THE MIDDLE EAST
THE CAUCASUS AND CENTRAL ASIA
http://www.osme.org
Deb Burhinus is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mistle Thrush singing - early? Sancho Birds & Birding 2 Sunday 25th November 2018 11:04
What bird is singing this song? TexasMockingbird Bird Identification Q&A 7 Saturday 22nd February 2014 14:13
Song thrush singing today! halftwo Your Birding Day 15 Thursday 30th November 2006 18:46
Blackbird Singing like a Song Thrush!? RockyRacoon Birds & Birding 2 Saturday 11th March 2006 00:38
suburbs of Bath - song thrush singing hedge-ender Avon 0 Friday 13th January 2006 14:52

{googleads}

Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.22380900 seconds with 26 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:01.