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Old Sunday 16th September 2007, 21:25   #1
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Old Sunday 16th September 2007, 21:27   #2
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Clements accepts this split. Gill and Wright and Howard and Moore do not. I therefore propose this page for deletion, with appropriate taxonomic notes under the main entry for Herring Gull. (which looks halfway decent already: "North American race smithsonianus, larger and paler than nominate and considered a separate species by some...")
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Old Monday 17th September 2007, 01:22   #3
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Rasmus advised that for *Taxonomic* issues we should ignore Gill & Wright, as opposed to when we talked about naming issues. For Taxonomic issues, I think we should only change when there is a consensus between Clements and H&M; there is a disagreement between the two, and for that reason, I think we should go for status quo as far as possible. Given that there are two pages, one for American and one for other, I think that status quo equals going for having American as a separate species; that would necessitate editing the main entry for Herring gull, including changing the name (moving). In agreement with that view is that we currently have an entry for L michahellis, which as far as I know have about the same background for being split as American Herring Gull.

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Old Monday 17th September 2007, 01:35   #4
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That's entirely reasonable. I'll edit accordingly.
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As discussed elsewhere, our original standard is Sibley & Monroe 1996; they and H&M 2003 lump smithsonianus with Larus argentatus (as Herring Gull).

Merge with Larus argentatus?
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Old Wednesday 22nd October 2008, 01:38   #6
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Unless there is strong evidence to support the split, which I dont think is the case http://aou.org/committees/nacc/propo...votes_web.php3

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