ID on four moths (sorry not good pics) (1 Viewer)

pmydon

Grey Nomad

• Jul 8, 2008

• #1

I have just got back from a lengthy trip and started mothing again. As I have never trapped at this time of year, almost everything is new to me. I have battled for three days now to identify all my moths and am left with four.

Can anyone sort them out for me please, as it is driving me crazy.

Many thanks

 

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davidg

Well-known member

• Jul 8, 2008

• #2

The first one is Muslin footman, I think. I'll pass on 2 and 3 but 4 looks like an oddly posed Barred Straw.

David

 

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Ken Noble

• Jul 8, 2008

• #3

How big was the noctuid? It couldn't be a Cumbrian form of one of the Oligia sp. could it?
A crazy thought o- it has some resemblance to a heath rustic (a month early!)

 

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pmydon

Grey Nomad

• Jul 8, 2008

• #4

Brilliant. I don't know how I missed Muslin Footman in Waring, but I did. Barred Straw also seems right.

I don't have the noctuid now, but I do have the container. With a little extrapolation, I estimate the overall length was about 15mm. I have no idea what an Ogilia sp is, but to my eye it does not seem to greatly resemble a heath rustic, but then it does not seem to resemble anything in Waring (but I did miss the Muslin Footman which should have been pretty obvious).

 

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Ken Noble

• Jul 9, 2008

• #5

Oligia sp. is a complex of minors - i.e three species that are so similar that you cannot tell them apart by eye.
On the heath rustic, have a look at the second pic on http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?bf=2135
I think you'll agree that it has some features in common.

 

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pmydon

Grey Nomad

• Jul 9, 2008

• #6

Hi Ken,

The photo on UK moths for the heath rustic is certainly nearer than the illustration in WAring (well, to my eye).

However on on your comment on the minors, a day before I caught what I thought was a marbled minor, although I noted the comments about genitalia which I can't (or won't) get into.

From the overall shape, I suspect it is an Oligia.

As usual, you have been most helpful in pointing me in direction to explore more. Now what are you like on pug identification????

 

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MikeWall

HantsMoth-er

• Jul 9, 2008

• #7

2 is too worn to ID and 3 is a heavily worn Oligia sp., having lost virtually all its scales from leading edge of wing down to the termen (hence the apparent white colour). It's not a Heath Rustic.

Mike