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Wader id, Jordan/Aqba, April 2013 pls

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Old Monday 28th September 2020, 14:50   #1
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Wader id, Jordan/Aqba, April 2013 pls

Hi, in going through some old photos I found these two where I am unable to identify the species. They were take in April 2013 at the waste water plant outside of Aqaba Jordan. Any help would be very much appreciated. Both photos were digiscoped but as you can tell I had better success with one than the other:)
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Old Monday 28th September 2020, 15:16   #2
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the one with the red legs and long bill is a Spotted Redshank, the other looks like a Wood Sandpiper
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Old Monday 28th September 2020, 15:18   #3
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Wow, thank you for the quick reply. The redshank would be a lifer for me. Much appreciated. Thank you again Lou.
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Old Monday 28th September 2020, 19:22   #4
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the one with the red legs and long bill is a Spotted Redshank, the other looks like a Wood Sandpiper
Do you think perhaps the other bird is a Marsh Sandpiper Lou?
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Old Monday 28th September 2020, 21:16   #5
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bill looks short, upperparts look marbled and supercillium also looks better for wood imo.
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bill looks short, upperparts look marbled and supercillium also looks better for wood imo.
Yes you're probably correct. Just looks odd with that flash through the eye, but maybe an effect of the light.
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Old Monday 28th September 2020, 23:13   #7
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My first impression on the 2nd bird was also Marsh Sand; I can't easily reconcile the (visible) plumage with WS; looking carefully, the tip of the bill seems to be hidden behind the bank.
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Old Tuesday 29th September 2020, 00:05   #8
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I'm in the Wood Sand camp - too strong a supercilium for Marsh, and I can't see the bill going behind the rock, as the rock is well behind the bird (unless the bird was designed by M C Escher )
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I'm in the Wood Sand camp - too strong a supercilium for Marsh, and I can't see the bill going behind the rock, as the rock is well behind the bird (unless the bird was designed by M C Escher )
There's really no rock there, it's a dry mud bank (surely man made) and irregular in shape, of unknown width; the bird is sitting in a depression on the top of the bank, with the lateral part of the chest being hidden by the bank (a dry muddy crest, which I believe is also hiding part of the bill).
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i think we won't reach consensus here. another pro wood to me seems the size of the head: usually marsh has a small head compared to body. and lore appears to be strongly dark marked (in marsh quite inconspicous). also upperparts darker than in the nearby spotshank, while at least adult marsh should be as pale as the spotshank. but this all could be deceiving with such a pic and i think it isn't that important to put a name on it
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Thank you everyone for the illuminating discussion. In reviewing my checklist for this day and location I had marked Common Ringed plover, Common Redshank, and Common sandpiper as the waders I was able to identify. But I did not have either the Wood or Marsh noted, for what that is worth.
I appreciate everyone's attempt and your comments.
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i think we won't reach consensus here.
I'll go along with a consensus that we won't reach consensus from this image! Agree that the other bird is a Spotted Redshank.
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Reading the ID forum occasionally is pretty illuminating to see what people's thoughts are on relatively common birds and how complicated it is. I would never even remotely consider Marsh for the second bird, it's like a completely different bird, but yet many people would!
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Reading the ID forum occasionally is pretty illuminating to see what people's thoughts are on relatively common birds and how complicated it is. I would never even remotely consider Marsh for the second bird, it's like a completely different bird, but yet many people would!
An ambiguous photo can trigger completely different responses in people that would likely not struggle to ID a bird given clearer views/photos. I can certainly see why this is possibly/probably a Wood Sand.

We've seen this many times before-hence why I think we should leave it unidentified.
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An ambiguous photo can trigger completely different responses in people that would likely not struggle to ID a bird given clearer views/photos ...
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This is so true! I think it looks better for Marsh than Wood but I don’t think I can rule out a 1w Greenshank either! https://forvienationalnaturereserve....etts-paradise/

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Wait, is there a bird on the image I am not seeing? Are we talking about the bird to the left of the Spotted Redshank in the first photo, right? What exactly is wrong with a Wood Sandpiper there? The upper side of the bird is much darker than the Spotted Redshank, the bill is short ...
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Wait, is there a bird on the image I am not seeing? Are we talking about the bird to the left of the Spotted Redshank in the first photo, right? ...
Must be a bird you aren't seeing ...the bird we are talking about is right of the Spotted Redshank 👍
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I was thinking about this the other day. How much more difficult it is to ID a bird with only a single photograph than in real life or from a video. Even difficult views in life can be better than a good single photograph.

btw this bird (to the right of the spotted redshank) is clearly a wood sandpiper :)

To be serious for a minute though, birds can look a lot brighter and a bit more "pied" looking when it is so bright like it often is in middle east. The sun reflects off the ground very well there.
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Must be a bird you aren't seeing ...the bird we are talking about is right of the Spotted Redshank 👍
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