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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 21:24   #1
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Help Identifying two birds in PA

Hi All. I'd like some help for a friend in Pittsburgh PA who snapped these two photos. I think the black bird is either an (aptly named) blackbird or a grackle, but I'm not sure?

Also, what kind of dove is in the 2nd picture? I've never seen those markings before. Thanks!
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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 21:55   #2
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Check out immature Mourning dove for the second bird.
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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 22:33   #3
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I'm going with White-winged Dove for the 2nd bird and either a Grackle or one of the Blackbirds for the first
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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 22:44   #4
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Common Grackle and juvenile Mourning Dove (as in https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/...owser/60386931). The dove not a White-winged Dove, a juvenile of which would be unprecedented in Pennsylvania.
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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 22:45   #5
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Ditto to juvenile Mourning Dove. White-winged doesn't reach PA.
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But the facial markings on the dove match White-winged.
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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 22:58   #7
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Here's a juvenile White-winged Dove
http://www.backyardbirdcam.com/gallery/wwdo-juv.htm

Here's another juvenile Mourning Dove
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourni..._macroura2.jpg

The plumage matches juvenile Mourning Dove
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Old Tuesday 30th June 2020, 23:07   #8
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Thanks, everyone! Grackle was my guess but was I wasn't sure. I agree with the immature mourning dove as it does seem to match with the photos in the link. I'm told there were other mourning doves in the area at the time, too. Plus, I don't think white winged doves are found in PA? Appreciate all the comments, as always!
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White-winged Doves are occasionally found in Pennsylvania. There is one sighting in eBird from the state so far this year.
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100% Common Grackle and juvie Mourning Dove here.
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Common Grackle and juvenile Mourning Dove (as in https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/...owser/60386931). The dove not a White-winged Dove, a juvenile of which would be unprecedented in Pennsylvania.
Agreed.

Here's another good comparison picture.

https://a4.pbase.com/o3/48/95248/1/1...ingDoveJuv.jpg
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White-winged Doves are occasionally found in Pennsylvania. There is one sighting in eBird from the state so far this year.
I saw that bird. It was coming to some feeders here in Allentown. It stuck around for about 3 days.

We're also starting to get Eurasian Collared Doves here in PA, but they're very local, and not in the Pittsburgh area yet.

So I agree with juvie Mourning Dove.
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