Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Discover the ZEISS Digital Nature Hub

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Is this a Kingbird?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 04:24   #1
sasmith_93
Registered User

 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 17
Is this a Kingbird?

This bird has started hanging around the last couple of weeks but I can't find it in my books. Can someone identify it for me?

Thanks!
Steph

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4...o/May06355.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4...o/May06353.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4...o/May06227.jpg
sasmith_93 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 04:40   #2
Dave B Smith
Registered User

 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: N.E. Florida, USA
Posts: 7,314
The first two are Northern Mockingbird. The third photo looks like a Kingbird but are those wingbars in the photo?
__________________
Dave Smith

Last edited by Dave B Smith : Monday 29th May 2006 at 04:44.
Dave B Smith is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Monday 29th May 2006, 04:44   #3
Katy Penland
Registered User
 
Katy Penland's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 10,758
Agree with mocker for the first two, and I believe the 3rd is a Western Kingbird.
Katy Penland is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2010 2014 2019 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Monday 29th May 2006, 05:02   #4
sasmith_93
Registered User

 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 17
Thank you for the replies! Can someone explain to me the differences between the kingbird and the mockingbird? These birds all look the same to me...help! lol

Steph
sasmith_93 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 05:19   #5
Kolya
Kolya
 
Kolya's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 51
This is a western kingbird . . .

I think the third is mockingbird too but here is a western kingbird for comparison.

The tail is shorter and is overall not as long and slender as a mockingbird.

Definitely not an eastern kingbird either; which stands much more vertically . .

Look for that white wing flash when they fly . . on a mockingbird.

good to compare the two as both favor high points to sing from. Mockingbirds are fairly indiscriminate . .they'll use anything . . rooftops, antenna, telephone pole, etc. . kingbirds tend to stay more to natural trees, etc. . .

Where in Texas are you?

Kolya
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	westernking.jpg
Views:	103
Size:	93.9 KB
ID:	47402  

Last edited by Kolya : Monday 29th May 2006 at 05:22.
Kolya is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2006 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Monday 29th May 2006, 05:20   #6
Katy Penland
Registered User
 
Katy Penland's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 10,758
The kingbird is a gray, white and yellow bird with no wing bars. A mockingbird is also gray but has no yellow on it whatsoever and has two white wingbars.

In the warm light of early morning or late afternoon, its underparts could show warmer tones especially on the underbelly, as yours does here. But never the lemon yellow of a kingbird. The photo's color register is also off, showing the wire and the bird as being brown rather than in the gray tones that would normally be the case.

When I lightened the first two shots in Photoshop, not only were the wingbars more obvious, but I could also see the characteristic thin, darkish eyeline that runs through the mocker's eye from bill to just behind the eye.

However, both birds have white outer tail feathers and both birds are a medium gray on top, so I can certainly understand how they could be hard to differentiate unless you get good looks at them in good light.

Or if they are singing. Mockingbirds are just wonderful to listen to and have a hugely variable repertoire of songs whose phrases they repeat 3-5 times and can sing for several minutes without stopping. A kingbird sounds nothing remotely close to what I'd call "singing" -- more like rhythmic call notes.

Edited to dissemble :

Y'know, I think I'm changing my mind about that 3rd photo. I have to agree with Kolya about how incredibly long that tail is. I'm also thinking the bill looks too long for a kingbird, and I can even imagine seeing an eyeline more clearly here. But I'm still very much bothered by no wing bars and by the yellow belly (even with all the red/brown taken out of the photo, that belly is still yellow, which is not a mocker characteristic).

But I also know not to trust the way colors are represented on the 'net and on individual monitors, so assuming the belly isn't really yellow, that still leaves the wingbar question. Maybe the bird is in molt and they aren't showing as prominently as they otherwise would?
Katy Penland is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2010 2014 2019 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Monday 29th May 2006, 06:32   #7
sasmith_93
Registered User

 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 17
I see what you mean about the last picture. It does appear to have a yellowish tint to the belly and questionable wing bars. Who knows...hopefully I'll see it again and get some better photos.

Kolya...I am from Tyler, TX.

Thank you all for your input!!
Steph
sasmith_93 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 11:40   #8
swamp_rattler
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Ohio, USA
Posts: 349
the first two are northern mockingbirds. i'll agree that the last pic is of a kingbird species, but I think there is a chance that this is an immature Scissor-tailed Flycatcher (which are kingbirds). Just throwing that out there.
swamp_rattler is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 12:16   #9
Xenospiza
Undescribed
 
Xenospiza's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In a drawer
Posts: 11,217
Quote:
Originally Posted by swamp_rattler
the first two are northern mockingbirds. i'll agree that the last pic is of a kingbird species, but I think there is a chance that this is an immature Scissor-tailed Flycatcher (which are kingbirds). Just throwing that out there.
You're right in Scissor-tailed Flycatcher. They're very common in Texas, while a Western Kingbird would be something of a find in East Texas, if I remember well (I stopped keeping records of either pretty soon when I visited Texas 11 years ago).
Xenospiza is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 14:00   #10
jcwings
Registered User
 
jcwings's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Santa Maria CA USA
Posts: 799
Scissor-tailed Flycatcher would be my guess too on the last shot.
__________________
www.sbcobirding.com: Birds where I live
My digiscoped photos
jcwings is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 14:19   #11
steveo
King Midas in reverse
 
steveo's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hingham Ma.
Posts: 1,674
the third pic is a mocker I think its just lighting that gives the underside a yellowish look. Can someone find a picture that would match the third bird as a mocker or a scissor juvie.
steveo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 14:45   #12
Terry O'Nolley
Cow-headed Jaybird

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,919
Blog Entries: 6
I think all 3 pics are mockingbirds.
Terry O'Nolley is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Monday 29th May 2006, 19:26   #13
sasmith_93
Registered User

 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 17
Wow...I didn't think about the sissortail! That definitely adds to my confusion! lol

I appreciate all of the help!
sasmith_93 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 19:54   #14
JANJ
Registered User
 
JANJ's Avatar

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 8,212
Swamp rattler is on the spot, no Kingbird has such a long tail, to mention one character. Shorther tail is probably due to 2cy (SY). Also notice the tertial pattern!

http://www.backyardbirdcam.com/galle...tailed-juv.htm

JanJ
JANJ is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 29th May 2006, 23:47   #15
Katy Penland
Registered User
 
Katy Penland's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 10,758
Wonderful, JanJ, as usual. Hats off to swamp_rattler!
Katy Penland is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2010 2014 2019 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Tuesday 30th May 2006, 00:53   #16
dtpavlik
Bugger

 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 155
The first 2 are without a doubt Northern Mockingbirds and the 3rd picture is Scissor-tailed Flycatcher. The tail looks to be the size of the body. No kingbird (besides Scissor-tailed Flycatcher) in Texas will have this long of a tail. Like stated above, Scissor-tailed is very common in Texas.

David
dtpavlik is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 30th May 2006, 02:18   #17
AmpelisChinito
Cedar Waxwing Chairman
 
AmpelisChinito's Avatar

 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 732
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a Great Crested Flycatcher as a possible suspect for the 3rd pic. I know the tail doesnt match, but lighting can play tricks with colors, but I think a Scissor-tailed Flycatcher is a great possibility.
__________________
-Sean
Eastern United States Bird Photography-
http://www.naturephotography.smugmug.com/
Ohio Wesleyan University 2011, for zoology with an emphasis on ornithology under Dr. Jed Burtt, the president-elect of the American Ornithologists Union.

Last edited by AmpelisChinito : Tuesday 30th May 2006 at 02:20.
AmpelisChinito is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 30th May 2006, 14:28   #18
dtpavlik
Bugger

 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 155
Great-creasted Flycatcher will be darker brown, wont have an eye stripe and will sit more upright. Also the tail gives it away. With the long tail, black eyestripe and grayish above this is a Scissor-tailed Flycatcher. It could be a female because they tend to have shorter tails than males.

David Pavlik
dtpavlik is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Kingbird Highway by Kenn Kaufman HelenB Books, Magazines, Publications, Video & DVD 11 Wednesday 30th December 2009 02:52
Id help please - Kingbird or Flycatcher?? ldsmith Bird Identification Q&A 12 Thursday 30th June 2005 03:57
Cassin's Kingbird Fenris Bird Identification Q&A 41 Wednesday 12th May 2004 02:09
kingbird id assistance pls. Bubo Bird Identification Q&A 3 Thursday 12th February 2004 16:16
Cassin's Kingbird Marysan Birds & Birding 4 Monday 7th October 2002 02:55



Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.14132094 seconds with 33 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 08:21.