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Old Saturday 20th January 2007, 22:15   #1
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Wader ID - Australia

Hi All, a new bird for me and struggling with ID, hopefully the photo is clear enough to help.

I have another shot to try and make it a bit easier I hope. I was shooting into the sun making it very difficult to get a clear shot. I will return one afternoon with the sun iun the west and see if I can improve.

The photo was taken in Port Macquarie NSW.

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Old Saturday 20th January 2007, 22:37   #2
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Although heavily backlit, it is certainly a Godwit, and by the length of the bill I'd say Black-tailed.

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Old Saturday 20th January 2007, 23:01   #3
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If that is barring that I can see on the tail, then I would have to go with Bar-tailed
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Old Saturday 20th January 2007, 23:35   #4
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If that is barring that I can see on the tail, then I would have to go with Bar-tailed
It is a Bar-tailed but easier to identify from slightly upcurved bill, and more extensive super along with other plumage considerations (if my eyes don't deceive me with the photo )

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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 01:37   #5
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Agree with Deborah. Black Tailed Godwits are very plain on the back, and these show clear markings.

BTW, do you get Hudsonian Godwits your side of the world? No idea what they look like, but its might be worth a look

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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 01:40   #6
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Agree with Bar-tailed
Sometimes a Bar-tailed has an unupcurved bill
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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 09:07   #7
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Hre we have further proof that the Godwits that occur in Australasia are structurally different to the ones that we are used to in W.Europe. I agree with Sean - structurally they look like Blackwits, if a little too short in the leg. However they can't be.
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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 12:07   #8
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more info links: 2 other ssp of Lamosa Laponica migrate to Australia - in NW, Menzbieri, with slightly longer bill and shorter wing - main difference found in plumage. As with all sp though, females have longer bills:

http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/godwit.htm

http://www.nzshorebirds.com/species.html

http://www.aviceda.org/abid/birdimag...=15&pagesize=1

http://www.aviceda.org/abid/birdimag...=14&pagesize=1
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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 12:26   #9
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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 14:40   #10
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When I first opened it up I thought they were some other species of Godwit that we, Brits, don't get. That bill is huge
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Agree with Deborah. Black Tailed Godwits are very plain on the back, and these show clear markings.

BTW, do you get Hudsonian Godwits your side of the world? No idea what they look like, but its might be worth a look

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Jason, a Hudwit in winter plumage would not have the streaking and marking on the breast. They're just plain grey and white.
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Old Sunday 21st January 2007, 22:59   #12
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Structurally i would have said black tailed but on a second look would have to be bar tailed. Interesting bird to ID
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Jason, a Hudwit in winter plumage would not have the streaking and marking on the breast. They're just plain grey and white.
Thanks Jeff. Googled it earlier. They also appear to have a much shorter bill, and the barring on the tail of this bird makes it a Barwit anyway.

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Thanks everyone, I will try and get some better shots. Appreciate your help.
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Agree with Deborah. Black Tailed Godwits are very plain on the back, and these show clear markings.

BTW, do you get Hudsonian Godwits your side of the world? No idea what they look like, but its might be worth a look

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On Hudsonian Godwit, Clements lists their range as: Canadian Arctic; winters Atlantic coast of s South America.
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On Hudsonian Godwit, Clements lists their range as: Canadian Arctic; winters Atlantic coast of s South America.
There are records from both Australia and New Zealand.
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On Hudsonian Godwit, Clements lists their range as: Canadian Arctic; winters Atlantic coast of s South America.
Yeah, but the birds that breed in Alaska and Eastern Siberia Winter in Asia, Australia and New Zealand.
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There are records from both Australia and New Zealand.
Wow, cool! These are strange/extraordinary records, yes?
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Old Monday 22nd January 2007, 14:39   #19
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Wow, cool! These are strange/extraordinary records, yes?
Sorry your right. Hudsonian is only a vagrant. They dont winter in oz or New Zealand
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Here are acouple of photos of Bar Tailed Godwit that i took this afternoon in UK
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Notice the redused white barring on the tail of the one flying and also on the ground.

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Australian birds also tend to have a streaked rump rather then a plain one.

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first individual (post 1, pic1) possibly female bird....
> http://www.nzshorebirds.com/bpscoresex.html
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