Jordan - Unidentified, mainly wheatears ! (1 Viewer)

Tony Knight · Sep 24, 2019

Location is in the file name. Any help gratefully received !

Photos 1-5 - Wheatears out in the desert at Shaumani reserve.

Thanks
Tony

Tony Knight · Sep 24, 2019

6-10.

6 - Black kite ?
7 - eastern mourning wheatear ?
8 - Finch, Lark, no idea really !??
9- Harrier ?
10- Lark but doesn't look like crested ?

Tony Knight · Sep 24, 2019

11-15

11- lesser whitethroat ?
12- Long legged buzzard ?
13- shrike - but which flavour ?
14- just a house sparrow ?
15 - tree pipit ?

Tony Knight · Sep 24, 2019

16-20

A few more wheatears at Dana Reserve and Petra !

Jean FRANCOIS · Sep 24, 2019

1, 5 Black-eared Wheatear
6, 7 agree
8 Desert Lark
9 Falco sp
10, 11, 12, 14, 15 agree
13 Masked Shrike juv
18, 19 Desert Wheatear
20 Mourning Wheater
Jean

Richard Prior · Sep 24, 2019

7 is an immature White-crowned Wheatear I believe.

smiths · Sep 24, 2019

#18 is an Eastern Black-eared Wheatear; 19 probably too.

Tib78 · Sep 24, 2019

And 2, 3 and 4 are Isabelline wheatears.

KenM · Sep 24, 2019

The Lesser Whitethroat image 11, looks to belong to the race althaea?

Cheers

Tony Knight · Sep 25, 2019

Thanks very much guys !

MJB · Sep 25, 2019

KenM said:
The Lesser Whitethroat image 11, looks to belong to the race althaea?

Cheers

Following Olsson et al 2013, S. [curruca] althaea, Hume's Whitethroat...?
MJB

Reference:
Olsson, U, P Leader, G Carey, AA Khan, L Svensson and P Alström. 2013. New insights into the intricate taxonomy and phylogeny of the Sylvia curruca complex. Mol. Phyl. & Evol. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2012.12.023

Tony Knight · Sep 25, 2019

MJB said:
Following Olsson et al 2013, S. [curruca] althaea, Hume's Whitethroat...?
MJB

Reference:
Olsson, U, P Leader, G Carey, AA Khan, L Svensson and P Alström. 2013. New insights into the intricate taxonomy and phylogeny of the Sylvia curruca complex. Mol. Phyl. & Evol. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2012.12.023

Looks a bit too far west to be a Hume's whitethroat ? (well, going by the maps on Xeno-canto which is what I usually use as a quick reference....).https://www.xeno-canto.org/species/Sylvia-althaea

Would be delighted if it was though !!!

Tony

MJB · Sep 25, 2019

Tony Knight said:
Looks a bit too far west to be a Hume's whitethroat ? (well, going by the maps on Xeno-canto which is what I usually use as a quick reference....).https://www.xeno-canto.org/species/Sylvia-althaea

Would be delighted if it was though !!!

Tony

Doubt if you've got enough on the bird to be certain, but many people are better than I am at identifying the taxa in that complex.... My tentative thought was Ménétriés' Warbler, but I've seen only two...

Oh, I should also have mentioned that Cai et al 2019 place most Sylvia warblers in Curruca and that strictly they are babblers, not warblers, hence Curruca [curruca] althaea...
Careless of me...
Reference
Cai, T, A Cibois, P Alström, RG Moyle, JD Kennedy, S Shao, R Zhang, M Irestedt, PGP Ericson, M Gelang, Y Qu, F Lei and J Fjeldså. 2019. Near-complete phylogeny and taxonomic revision of the world’s babblers (Aves: Passeriformes), Mol. Phyl. & Evol. 130: 346-356
MJB

andyb39 · Sep 26, 2019

The Lesser Whitethroat in image 11 looks darker than it really is, with the head being partly covered in shadow - this may be a result of very harsh light. If you adjust the image a little, you can clearly see the mask and contrast between the grey ahead and nape and dull brownish upperparts. It also looks a little dainty for Hume's.

rosbifs · Sep 26, 2019

The black kite looks eastern - is that the default for the area?

Richard Prior · Sep 26, 2019

rosbifs said:
The black kite looks eastern - is that the default for the area?

Yes, when we had visitors from Europe in Lebanon for helping with migration counts we often had to gently point out that they hadn’t really seen a few hundred Red Kites go through but these eastern Black Kites!

Tony Knight · Sep 26, 2019

Sorry just a couple of final Qs.
1/ Any idea what the "falco species" number 9 in post #2 above could be ?
2/ Also originally I thought the attached bird was the same but I took it at a different time in the eastern desert near Syria. Not much to go on from this quick record shot but any ideas ? The red colour may be over-amplified by photoshop to emphasise any distinguishing features/colour.
3/ The other photo attached I though originally was just a blackstart as there were many around but it looks a bit too buff rather than grey. A female wheatear ? If so any idea which species ?
Thanks
Tony

Tony Knight · Sep 26, 2019

4/ Red backed shrike ?
5/ crag martin ?
6/ had thought this was a scrub warbler but not so sure now having looked at google images....

thanks.

Jean FRANCOIS · Sep 26, 2019

1- Red-footed Falcon
2- Blackstart
3- Red-backed Shrike
4- African Rock Martin
5- Spectacled Warbler
Jean

Tony Knight · Sep 26, 2019

Jean FRANCOIS said:
1- Red-footed Falcon
2- Blackstart
3- Red-backed Shrike
4- African Rock Martin
5- Spectacled Warbler
Jean

Thanks Jean.
RFF - yes of course, makes sense.
I hadn't even considered a spectacled warbler - thanks !
African rock martin is a good result.
Any idea on which falcon species for "9 Falco sp" ? Peregrine falcon ?

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