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As I think I've said before Tim It's the backgrounds that really let me down and I think I'm going to have to work really hard to make the rocks look convincing. All I can do is my best so I will post another picture when I'm getting closer!
Greg

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I would have commented earlier, but really I think you are finding your own way with this one. The turn from light to dark on the forewing is a special piece of work and I think the pose is beautifully captured. I suspect the success of the painting will hinge on the rendering of the rocks and just how you place the background. As for the bird - it's another cracker.
And - I wouldn't get too hung up on your lack of formal training. I had an 'artschool education' - learning lifedrawing, print, 3-d etc and went on to Uni to study illustration - BUT - what I was actually TAUGHT there I could write on the back of a postage stamp. I, like most of the rest of us I suspect, consider myself to be self-taught (mainly cos my tutors hadn't a clue about any genre outside of their own comfy specialisms (and one was Tony Ross - the children's book illustrator. Google him and you'll see what I mean!!!) In fact, I spent 2 weeks in Scotland just to try and get close to birds to draw them, fairly unsuccessfully as it turned out. My tutors' advice on my return was to stop buggering about trying to draw birds from life and learn how to take good photographs of them - I could then copy those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Needless to say I didn't see eye to eye with them.
 
Lookin' good Greg, that pose is typical peregrine!

I always have a lot of fun with rocks, I tend to use a bit of the old spatter technique using the toothbrush that's a regular part of my kit. A light spatter and a dark one gives quite a nice pitted look then I'll work over the whole thing using a dry brush technique. The dry brushing picks up the textures of the support and the layers of paint underneath and textures are so important when painting rocks. Bateman used spattering in the peregrine, ready for flight pic that Tim linked to. I never worry if a lot of the spatter gets covered later, it's still there making a subtle contribution.

The other thing important with rock is to remember the angles of the various planes. Those that are angled away from the light source will be dark whilst those facing the light will, of course, be light! Sounds obvious but I've seen paintings of rocks that have failed because the artist has forgotten this basic principle.

Any how that falcon is always going to be commanding attention so crack on.

Oh and; Training my *rse!

Mike
 
this is excellent peregrine, there is a huge amount of character in the bird, which makes this one stand out from the old peregrine on a rock cliché. I really like this one.

As for formal training, it can help, whether it be a great tutor who encourages you to explore your own capabilities, or an awful one that tells you how to do things (as long as you go and do the opposite to see what happens). I think that whether we picked up the paints oursleves and learnt by playing, or whether we had someone to guide us through how to mix them and apply them, we are all self-taught to a certain degree.
 
Thanks Tim, Nick and Mike I really do appreciate your help. I've spent a bit more time on this one although I still want to do a bit more yet. I'm wondering if I should add some mutes on the rocks as every peregrine perch that I know has white lime on the rocks! I've added a picture of my work area to give some idea of the size!
 

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Not that it 'needs' the extra visual interest of some white on the rocks, it could be a good way of mirroring the bird's colour in its background, and could also help lead the eye along more smoothly, the composition is a very nice 'L' which creates a staccato atmospherewhich gives a sense of the bird being bolt upright and alert, now would putting white along that L enhance this or lose it???? I'll leave you to ponder.
 
oh, and if you don't want to add anything to it, the picture does look wonderful as it is (IMO your best!), but to quote Picasso, "a painting is never finished, only abandoned".
 
Fabulous Greg - really top-notch. The rocks have a drizzle-shrouded wetness so perfectly rendered, fitting perfectly with the misty backdrop you've created.
Love it!!!!
 
Yep, very nice. I seeyou've got a lump of rock on your workdesk, smart move actually having a bit of what you're painting there in front of you. White spots can be quite powerful against dark so if you do decide to go with them I'd say just be a little cautious that they don't become a distraction. Overall it's a very nice piece and your knowledge of falcons is obvious in it.

Mike

BTW you mentioned curiosity about how others will work up sketches etc so I've posted some work in progress bits in my thread.
 
Thanks to all of you! I think I will just have to sit back and look at it for a couple of days before I make up my mind where to go with it.
 
Well I've been sitting back far too long so I really must get back to it. I finally decided not to add anything to the painting even after playing at it with photoshop just to see what it would look like. I'm over in the US for a while soon so hope to see some interesting sights while I'm away. Before anyone asks yes I will, be taking a sketchbook and camera! With anyluck I might even get some painting done while I'm there.
 
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